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There should be no England fans at final IMO

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LaserPointer · 08/07/2021 20:59

I cannot believe there is not more disgust at the actions of one (or more) English fan(s).

Aside from trying to cheat way to an England victory by distracting the goalkeeper during a penalty, lasers are phenomenally dangerous to eyes. The goalkeeper could have retinal damage.

I think a “lesser” nation would have been kicked out, but England won’t. But in my view the fans should be banned - there has to be consequences for criminal actions. Otherwise it will happen again.

Suspect I’ll be in the minority but it’s frankly embarrassing we have fans who do this.

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Lemonmelonsun · 08/07/2021 21:01

Disgusting what the laser person did and I hope they can find him /her and deal with them appropriately.

But... Aksing all the innocents to be banned! Really!

Alloftheboys · 08/07/2021 21:01

So every single fan should be punished because of the actions of a few dickheads?

July2mebabywouldJuly2me · 08/07/2021 21:02

Are you Danish, OP?

romdowa · 08/07/2021 21:03

It would be stupid to punish everyone for one person but why didn't the Danish goalkeeper alert the referee to the fact that he was being blinded by a lazer? Surely there is a system for the players to alert the ref or linesmen to an issue.

WorraLiberty · 08/07/2021 21:04

Wahhhhh! Wahhhh!

FFS when is this bleating about England going to stop? 🙄🙄

I've heard less whinging from hungry, tired toddlers than I have since the start of this football tournament.

LaserPointer · 08/07/2021 21:07

@Alloftheboys

So every single fan should be punished because of the actions of a few dickheads?
Yes - just like every single club in England was banned from Champions league after actions of some Liverpool fans caused death of 39 Juventus fans.

I’m not comparing severity of incidents clearly, but the principle is the same.

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Teddy1970 · 08/07/2021 21:07

Most of the 60,000 fans were well behaved and in good spirits, a couple of tossers do that (terrible I know) and you want to ban everyone? There's always idiots in football crowds, but no I don't agree with you on that.

ZoBo123 · 08/07/2021 21:08

What about the countless times that black players for England have been racially abused by opposition supporters and all their countries get us a small fine

BettyOBarley · 08/07/2021 21:08

You can't punish thousands upon thousands of decent people for the actions of a few.

Then again not sure what the point of a fine for the England team is either. The idiots who did it aren't going to care about that or change their ways because of it. Not a lot the team can do about the fans behaviour on the day either really!

I watched it again and the goalkeeper didn't seem aware of it, but also read a story about a young boy who had a hole burned in his retina with one. Really really disgusting behaviour. I hope they can find out who did it.

As for the booing during the national anthem - happens all the time!!

Teddy1970 · 08/07/2021 21:09

@WorraLiberty

Wahhhhh! Wahhhh!

FFS when is this bleating about England going to stop? 🙄🙄

I've heard less whinging from hungry, tired toddlers than I have since the start of this football tournament.

I know, it's getting tiresome with all these bloody moaning posts..
WorraLiberty · 08/07/2021 21:09

Imagine if MNHQ banned cowardly name changers? 🤔

Urbanhymngirl · 08/07/2021 21:09

YANBU - England fans are dicks for booing the anthem & making racist comments about a 7 year old German girl (called her a Nazi slut as I recall).

littledrummergirl · 08/07/2021 21:10

Personally I think they should be disqualified, as it is in the future I think it will be remembered in the same way as hand of God.
It was disgraceful and has taken the shine off a very good win.

wonderstuff · 08/07/2021 21:10

They should go all out to find the 'fan' and ban them for life. England have been fined and quite rightly so. In the past fans have been banned from matches and had passports suspended during international fixtures and this has reduced violent conduct.

We have a fantastic team who have been vocal about inclusion, fair play and decency. They have conducted themselves brilliantly and it would be outrageous to punish them for the conduct of potentially one individual at Wembley.

Ratalie · 08/07/2021 21:11

Fans of other teams have done this before, including at the world cup, and never has a team been thrown out of the tournament or it's fans banned from games.

Yes, it is both stupid and dangerous and the perpetrator should be duly punished, but why spout absolute horseshit?

Tal45 · 08/07/2021 21:11

Kick out the England team because of something one idiot watching did? How were the players supposed to know about it or prevent it? They've asked the fans not to boo and they still do that. There's always some ignorant dick but hopefully he'll be found and punished including being banned from future games and having his passport flag up so he can't fly to matches abroad.

FrownedUpon · 08/07/2021 21:12

Grow up! So bitter & jealous.

MichelleScarn · 08/07/2021 21:12

@WorraLiberty

Imagine if MNHQ banned cowardly name changers? 🤔
Now that would be great! I'm actually sure I'm recognising the same posters whinging about a multitude of different topics!
LaserPointer · 08/07/2021 21:12

So had England lost 2-1 after Pickford had been dazzled by danish supporters when trying to save the winning penalty then all of you would have accepted that?

The hypocrisy……

But I know you’ll never admit it. Winning - even if by cheating - is all that counts.

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anon12345678901 · 08/07/2021 21:12

Oh for god sake, punish the majority of fans who were completely innocent. Thankfully, that would never happen as most people can see how unfair that would be.
The fan who shone the laser should be banned for life though and fined, if possible.

BillyWhozz · 08/07/2021 21:13

@LaserPointer

I cannot believe there is not more disgust at the actions of one (or more) English fan(s).

Aside from trying to cheat way to an England victory by distracting the goalkeeper during a penalty, lasers are phenomenally dangerous to eyes. The goalkeeper could have retinal damage.

I think a “lesser” nation would have been kicked out, but England won’t. But in my view the fans should be banned - there has to be consequences for criminal actions. Otherwise it will happen again.

Suspect I’ll be in the minority but it’s frankly embarrassing we have fans who do this.

No one would have been kicked out over this.

UEFA/FIFA have barely taken action against "lesser" nations for racism and homophobia, certainly at the first offence. (TBF they care more about people moving coke bottles or wearing Paddy Power underwear).

Yet another tiresome anti-football post dressed up as some moral crusade.

PS - I am disgusted. As a most England fans but I would think the fact that was probably a maximum of 5 people out of 60,000 responsible for the laser incident suggest on the whole the huge majority were well behaved.

Teddy1970 · 08/07/2021 21:13

@ZoBo123

What about the countless times that black players for England have been racially abused by opposition supporters and all their countries get us a small fine
YES! England v Bulgaria I seem to remember, England players were terribly racially abused by some of the Bulgarian crowd, it was so bad at one point they had to stop the match, it's not all one way, other nations are not perfect OP.
LetsGoFlyAKiteee · 08/07/2021 21:14

Some people are idiots.. they should be tracked down and banned...can't punish the team though lol doesn't work like that. Plus he saved it! Just didn't hold on

Hadjab · 08/07/2021 21:14

FFS it’s a game - if this is the most you have to worry about, then you lead a very charmed life.

BillyWhozz · 08/07/2021 21:15

@WorraLiberty

Imagine if MNHQ banned cowardly name changers? 🤔
You mean Laser Pointer hasn't posted on the Penguin Bollard and Mexican House Thief threads? Shocking Wink