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AIBU?

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To think there's a link between climate change denial and Leave voters?

188 replies

KennDodd · 08/10/2019 08:16

Listening to Nigel Farage 'climate scepticism ' on the radio last night and all his fans agreeing with him. I think Nigel Farage has also said the doctors are wrong about smoking. Baffling why anyone would take his view seriously. Anyway, every climate change denier I've heard of is also a Leaver. AIBU to think they're connected?

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HeresMe · 08/10/2019 09:31

Leave voters also kill kittens and eat puppies.

Remainers use everything to slag leave voters off again and again it's tiresome.

Lamentations · 08/10/2019 15:02

Good grief.

Witchonastick · 08/10/2019 15:06

What utter bollocks!

nothingwittyhere · 08/10/2019 15:10

Yes, they're roughly the same people, probably for the same reason - an "I'm alright Jack" attitude that their income and habits override everyone else's. I think this is (generalising wildly) very much an attitude that goes with the territory of being older white middle-class men.

FuzzyPuffling · 08/10/2019 15:10

Yes YABU. Bonkers!

FuzzyPuffling · 08/10/2019 15:11

I can't be doing with sweeping generalisations of any sort, from any side.

Idontwanttotalk · 08/10/2019 15:22

YABU unless you can provide evidence to support your viewpoint.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/10/2019 15:25

No, no no.... me me me I have another one!

What about a link between Remainers making ridiculous analogies and wanky correlations and some posters giggling at the fultility of it all?

In short: You said what now?

longwayoff · 08/10/2019 15:25

Cultists. He can say whatever he likes, however absurd, and they'll lap it up. Like his mate across the water.

LaurieMarlow · 08/10/2019 15:26

I’d say there is a broad correlation yes. Age profile, education profile, attitude to ‘experts’ would be broadly similar.

Difficult to prove though.

PierreBezukov · 08/10/2019 15:27

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SpoonBlender · 08/10/2019 15:31

Fuck me, all you people defending leavers are either unable to read the OP's statement or can't comprehend simple logic.

Here: "every climate change denier I've heard of is also a Leaver"
is not the same as "every Leaver is a climate change denier" let alone PierreBezukov's litany.

CuriousaboutSamphire · 08/10/2019 15:38

Well fuck me... I thought the question was in the thread title... is there a link? OP seems to think so. Others think she may be a tad unreasonable!

Secondary question within the post led to some jocular ripostes!

Aderyn19 · 08/10/2019 15:42

How would you know? I don't think I've ever filled out a form asking my opinion on both the EU and climate change. I don't really see what one has to do with the other.
Fed up of leavers being demonised tbh - I'm sure there are remain voters out there who either deny or couldn't give a shit about climate change, who are racist ( wanting to remain in the EU does not mean incapable of bring racist ) and generally not nice people. Remain does not = morally superior!

Lovingthesunshine88 · 08/10/2019 15:46

Complete and utter bullshit. What a silly post!!

Cattenberg · 08/10/2019 16:01

Of course these people exist. Who do you think buys the Telegraph?

If you read the comments beneath Telegraph articles, I bet you’ll soon come to the conclusion that the average Telegraph reader is a sexist older male (or weirdly, a sexist older woman), who hates the EU, thinks climate change is nothing to do with human activity, despises most young people and thinks the Tories aren’t right-wing enough. Needless to say, Donald Trump is much admired and no one can bear to say a good word about Greta Thunberg.

If I remember rightly, the Daily Mail and the Express also promote pro-Brexit and climate denier views, but I don’t want to read them again to double-check.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 08/10/2019 16:15

My mum's friend is a leave voter, and discussed with mum last week how climate change is rubbish. She also made some comments on their being "too many dark/black people at [Harry and Meghan's] wedding Confused I've asked mum if her friend is a flat earther too but mum doesn't like to ask these things. I'd have ended the friendship at the racist comment last year on the wedding day but mum hasn't the boundaries as me. She doesn't like to rock the boat; I crate tempests Grin

KennDodd · 08/10/2019 16:24

The only people I know who are climate change deniers are also Leavers. There are quite a few famous Leavers/climate change deniers as well. Nigel Farage, Ann Widdecombe, Nigel Lawson etc. I guess both groups don't believe experts and that drives their opinion forming.

Incidentally, I do know one flat earther. Genuinely believes the earth is flat. She's also a vocal Leaver and anti vaxer, don't know her veiws on climate change.

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TheMustressMhor · 08/10/2019 16:45

It wouldn't surprise me at all to find that there was a correlation between the two.

BertrandRussell · 08/10/2019 16:48

There is certainly an anecdotal correlation. No idea whether it could be backed up by data.

Sron · 08/10/2019 16:52

Chronic underthinking might be the correlation.

No13 · 08/10/2019 16:53

Ffs. Remainers are getting insane

KatyCarrCan · 08/10/2019 16:55

I think I preferred you better* when you relied on a tickling stick for laughs rather than spurious smearing.

*I didn't really like you then either.

NearlyGranny · 08/10/2019 16:56

Positive correlation in my circle, every time. A small sample, I grant you. None of them are flat earthers (yet) so there's that to hold onto.

This proves nothing, of course; it's just an observation.

arethereanyleftatall · 08/10/2019 16:56

Nope, sorry. I'm both a leaver and very invested in saving the planet. Dh the same. So that's two.

I think that all remainers who say things like 'every leaver I know is thick and racist (or climate change deniers) simply need to find better people to know.

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