To think there's a link between climate change denial and Leave voters?

[KennDodd]

Listening to Nigel Farage 'climate scepticism ' on the radio last night and all his fans agreeing with him. I think Nigel Farage has also said the doctors are wrong about smoking. Baffling why anyone would take his view seriously. Anyway, every climate change denier I've heard of is also a Leaver. AIBU to think they're connected?

ok for Jess Philips to use her own take on a known metaphor regarding stabbing someone but when Nigel Farage does it then it’s an outrage and he is reported to the police

Was that when he said he would 'take a knife to Penpushers, when he meant to say he would take an axe?

“I can’t believe posters on here sometimes, is it wilful stupidity?”

Or is it willful stupidity to not acknowledge that I have already denounced, on this very thread, that disgraceful comment by Aaron Banks?

But you cannot call one person to account and not the other, just because your personal politics do not align. It’s frankly disingenuous.

I stand by my comments.

It’s obviously playing with a well known metaphor

According to Google, the meaning is "a true friend 'tells you what they think about you ' to your face, whilst someone else has a go at you behind your back"

Not sure what the 'hoping a teenage activist drowns' metaphor means.

I think people can see what the metaphor means. See your enemy in front of you instead of coming from behind, unaware

There is some that can see it, its those that like to political hay out of nuance of language and broad brush 'unacceptable' comments to all their supporters is why we are in the shit show.

It's shows they are not concerned for language use and just following spoon fed media naratives, pokes a hole in the critical thinking meme.

That’s the one.

I expect you will try and justify the difference but to my mind they are double standards and hypocrisy. I don’t expect you to agree with me.

I expect you will try and justify the difference but to my mind they are double standards and hypocrisy

I don’t expect you to agree with me

It was a bit of a slip, wasn't it. Knife, axe...A waste of police time though.

There is far worse use of language out there to get concerned about and far worse stirring up of emotion and hatred.

My reply was to chomalunga my post wasn’t clear.

Hoping a teenage girl drowns is not.

He said accidents happen.

I can’t believe posters on here sometimes, is it wilful stupidity?

I know, the double standards of holding one side to nuance of language where one side said they would stab someone is not the same.

It's almost like people are just bunkering down on political lines and what they profess to believe in has a lot of caveats. And they wonder why political discourse has become such a shit show. It's obviously just a right wing issue.

“It's shows they are not concerned for language use and just following spoon fed media naratives, pokes a hole in the critical thinking meme.”

And predictably we return to the old ‘Leavers be thick and I be the cleverest’ trope.

Why cant we agree that both comments are just not on? Can we not step out of our personal narrative for one second to agree on that?

Oops cross post, I’m a bit slow tonight!

But you cannot call one person to account and not the other, just because your personal politics do not align. It’s frankly disingenuous

No.

In Jess’s case she is talking about betraying the leader of her party.

In Aaron’s case he is wishing death on a teenage girl.

If you don’t understand the difference between those things you need to give your head a wobble.

Shit you are right.

I’m ambivalent abut climate change and I’d quite like the old light bulbs back.

Why cant we agree that both comments are just not on

I would agree that there are a lot of metaphors out there that probably need to be thought about before people say them.

There are too many wartime metaphors out at the moment.

I wish people would stick to less aggressive ones - like sporting ones.

“I know, the double standards of holding one side to nuance of language where one side said they would stab someone is not the same. ”

Double standards? I have said how fucking awful that comment from Banks was? Do you want me to tattoo it on my arse and run naked down the high street to prove it?

Well, I think that Nigel’s remark did not merit a moment of police time.

Jess’s was the turning round of a well known metaphor and you would have to be extraordinarily disingenuous to suggest orherwise.

And Aaron Banks’ was reprihebsible. But unsurprisingly so, considering his comments about the divers who rescued those young footballers in Thailand..

And predictably we return to the old ‘Leavers be thick and I be the cleverest’ trope.

I made that comment firmly tounge in cheek, if there was ever a forum to prove that remainers are more educated in geo politics or politics in general, even with the open astro turfing from momentum, it wouldn't be MN, this place is becoming a meme.

Can we not step out of our personal narrative for one second to agree on that?

I'm an open remainer, It's for the vocal labour supporters to accept they want to shit on the working class, another reason why labour has become a shit show

Apologies justanother, clearly I missed the ‘nuance’ .

In Jess’s case she is talking about betraying the leader of her party.

In terms of the OP, corbyn was standing up for the majority of constituents that voted leave, him being a life long euro skeptic is the muddy area. Jess coming from a leave area decided she wanted to ignore the majority and try and cry facism and stab someone who was trying to appease the broad brush of labour supporters.

Even if its a metaphore, jess doesn't come across well. and if we can attribute all leavers as wanting Greta to drown then we can equally attribute the shit show that is labour remainers as wanting to stab corbyn, metaphore or not.

You trying to play idpol on language is ignoring the point.

and if we can attribute all leavers as wanting Greta to drown

No one has said that at all.

Well, I think that Nigel’s remark did not merit a moment of police time.

If you used your critical thinking skills you would see that Nigel didn't face any charges and it was an early example of the Marcus Ball situation, you being you I doubt you will have any nuanced thinking though as you clearly struggle with anything that isn't provided to you via some obscure blog or twitter.

Well this thread has proven that many people are unable to read an OP properly.

Apparently, yes. Some have argued with @EileenBilton that “not being worried” isn’t the same as disbelieving. So here’s a much clearer statement that they disbelieve:
British people backing a leave vote in the EU referendum are almost twice as likely to believe that climate change does not have a human cause, according to a new poll.

And more, based on the poll:
Brexiters are more likely to think the media exaggerates how settled climate science is; distrust scientists; have sympathy with creationism; oppose onshore windfarms and support fracking.

It’s a ComRes poll with 1,618 respondents.

Here’s the link to coverage with more information:
www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/jun/16/brexit-voters-almost-twice-as-likely-to-disbelieve-in-manmade-climate-change

“If you used your critical thinking skills you would see that Nigel didn't face any charges and it was an early example of the Marcus Ball situation, you being you I doubt you will have any nuanced thinking though as you clearly struggle with anything that isn't provided to you via some obscure blog or twitter.“

I have no idea what this paragraph means........

they're roughly the same people, probably for the same reason - an "I'm alright Jack" attitude that their income and habits override everyone else's. I think this is (generalising wildly) very much an attitude that goes with the territory of being older white middle-class men.

I think it’s completely the opposite.I think Leavers/Climate Change Not Carers are the people that work hard and have little to show from it. They also can’t see the point in giving up stuff when the smug classes are clearly using more than everyone else in their jobs that require travel, meals on expenses and meetings/ conferences/conventions where everyone gets bottles of water and a ton of money is spent on producing them.

For me it’s not that I think climate change or leaving won’t affect us. It’s just that change is no bad thing. I don’t waste resources drink one bottle plastic, I only wear recycled clothes and didn’t drive for years. But I’m not going to live like a peasant. I want out of season food, plane travel and hot water on demand. If it means humans become extinct, so be it.. There’s been 5 mass extinctions on earth. There will still be “ life” of some description.

I totally agree.

Everything ‘man made’ is still a part of the natural process.

Humans becoming extinct would be no bad thing and Mother Nature would continue in some form.