To think there's a link between climate change denial and Leave voters?

[KennDodd]

Listening to Nigel Farage 'climate scepticism ' on the radio last night and all his fans agreeing with him. I think Nigel Farage has also said the doctors are wrong about smoking. Baffling why anyone would take his view seriously. Anyway, every climate change denier I've heard of is also a Leaver. AIBU to think they're connected?

I'd also report a strong (anecdotal) link between wanting old-fashioned light bulbs back and voting Leave.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince how do you explain the erm, change to our climate then?

So you rely on definitely without qualifiers. Though the difference was less pronounced when qualifying concepts were introduced.

All of which is bound up in 93% of people believe that the world’s climate is definitely or probably changing. So, given that the respondents were unlikely to have been precisely 50% Remain, 50% Leave, doesn't leave you anywwhere else to go with those stats because they also state we find the British public overwhelmingly shares the expert view that these global challenges exist: (includes another concept that has been paired with climate change)

Leavers may not be as convinced that Climate Change is as deadly, as imminent as Remainers seem to be (to flip the stats). But that is in line with the implied levels of scepticism, not disbelief! That is my sceptiscism based on the qualifying words used within the statements....

Basically, the stats within that report are a little conflicting, mainly down to the qualifying words used, or not used, when applying the % to a notion.

I'd also report a strong (anecdotal) link between wanting old-fashioned light bulbs back and voting Leave. Anecdotally I am with you there. On a scale of 1 - 10 I self report a 10

That is the most bonkers made up correlation ever.
Not all Leavers support or like Farage’s view on a lot of things, including his exact view about EU.
I am yet to find a real life climate change Denier in person but I’m sure there are lots of them about worldwide.
To completely deny climate change is purely idiotic.
To support Brexit is not purely idiotic.
So based on the original presumption all Leavers are idiots?!

Well, the only climate science deniers I know did in fact vote Leave (and also read the telegraph). But I also know Leave voters who are passionate about the environment. So, I get where you are coming from but I can’t agree.

Leaver here.

Climate change agree-er (is that a word? )
Hate Farage.
Not a racist.
The earth is definitely round.
Support a hardline approach to vaccinations. Educated to degree level.
Am on the cusp between millenial/gen X.
Middle Class (by most definitions anyway)
Don’t give a crap about blue passports or Bendy Bananas.

Yes. I know. Anecdotal, but that seems to be the theme, so...

HTH

Probably more Leave voters are climate change deniers than those who wish to Remain, but I doubt if there is a correlation. The Leave voters I know are of the 'the Chinese and US need to do something first, we are insignificant' school.

Oh, I forgot to add, I also utterly reject capital punishment.

Yanbu

TheHeathenOfSuburbia

Ardent Remainer here, but I'd kill to have my old-style, 150-watt, so-bright-you-could-do-surgery-under-them lightbulbs back...

To completely deny climate change is purely idiotic.
To support Brexit is not purely idiotic.
So based on the original presumption all Leavers are idiots?!
Logic failure!

Probably more Leave voters are climate change deniers than those who wish to Remain, but I doubt if there is a correlation.
Maybe check the meaning of the word "correlation"!

I would add an anecdotal that a lot of the more vocal ardent remainers (including on mn) are really not as critical thinking or intelligent as they like to make out, and will gladly follow newspaper media narratives just as long as it is the right narrative.

Look at the whole Marcus Ball situation, lauded on here by quite a few, everyone falling over themselves to say they had donated to a stupid stunt that was vexatious and politically motivated from the start, not much critical thinking involved there now those who supported him are potentially on the hook.

Also laughable how many posters have spent years being anti-neoliberal/big business doing a full 180 and supporting both as some stick it the tories bullshit.

The Venn diagram overlap is high.

If you had 100 Climate change deniers and asked them to get into 2 groups, depending on if they voted Leave or Remain, I suspect that most of them would go in the Leave camp.

I would say that was based on looking at the twitter profiles of people who I have seen commenting on climate change.

If you had 100 people who enjoyed camping holidays in the Dordogne and asked them to get into 2 groups depending on how they voted, I suspect many people would go into Remain.

I can think of other attitudes and beliefs that people have, where given those people have those attitudes, then they are more likely to have voted Leave or Remain.

But of course, many people who voted Leave or Remain do not have those attitudes.

I wonder if you had 100 random MN users and asked them to split into how they voted - how many would go into Leave and how many would go into Remain.

Vote Leave EU "We didn't win two world wars to be pushed around by a Kraut,". This is the level of intelligence Vote Leave is proud to display. Says more than enough.

@CuriousaboutSamphire
^93% of people believe that the world’s climate is definitely or
probably changing

So that puts paid to Leavers being Non Believers

But does it put paid to Non believers being Leavers?

Much more worrying are the high percentages of leavers who support the death penalty and corporal punishment.

FFS - so on the same kind of generalistic basis as the OP - BJ was right then?

When he described the latest London Extinction Rebellion demo as full of 'nose-ringed crusties', 'hemp-smelling' (nb: hemp makes cloth/rope fibre) in their 'bivouacs'?

Yeah ok. I'm pretty much aligned with mustard on this one, but carry on OP...

There are millions of climate change deniers in USA, China, Russia, Germany, France, India, Indonesia, Brazil (need I go on?) and I doubt if any of them voted Leave. The theory is "humbug"

Yanni

And add in those who share 'paedophile hunter' videos too.

There has to be a common underlying core belief system.

@TheEmojiFormerlyKnownAsPrince

Can you share why you are a climate change denier? Curious.

This has to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read.

I would say there is a link between right wing populist politicians and climate change denial, Trump, Farage, Boris's ‘crusty hippies’ comment. I would draw the conclusion that they must feel secure that their supporters agree with their controversial views to air them so publicly. I would also draw the conclusion that their supporters are more likely to be leave voters. I think you are right op.

There are millions of climate change deniers in USA, China, Russia, Germany, France, India, Indonesia, Brazil (need I go on?) and I doubt if any of them voted Leave. The theory is "humbug"

The 'theory' is just another attempt at the ardent vocal remainers pretending they are somehow more intelligent that than the leavers, despite many MN threads proving that is just a fallacy.

The OP was so anti neoliberal and multi national business in the run up to all the previous elections, its people having no ability to think outside their very narrow media driven narrative that they have to build up as many straw men as possible.

I'm a staunch remainer, btw, I just don't pretend I'm not a neoliberal, it's idiots like the OP that voted Corbyn into power.