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To think there's a link between climate change denial and Leave voters?

188 replies

KennDodd · 08/10/2019 08:16

Listening to Nigel Farage 'climate scepticism ' on the radio last night and all his fans agreeing with him. I think Nigel Farage has also said the doctors are wrong about smoking. Baffling why anyone would take his view seriously. Anyway, every climate change denier I've heard of is also a Leaver. AIBU to think they're connected?

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Tolleshunt · 08/10/2019 21:35

I would guess that the link is that both ideologies are heavily pushed by the Daily Mail. Both ideologies promote the interests of the elite over those of the plebs, sontgey have to be dressed up as some kind of perineal freedom fiction.

Tolleshunt · 08/10/2019 21:36

Personal, not perineal!! Ffs Apple sort your rubbish spellchecker out at last!

chomalungma · 08/10/2019 21:36

This has to be one of the most ridiculous posts I've ever read

The social attitudes survey linked upthread suggested that:

If you are sceptical about climate change, then you are more likely to have voted Leave.

It DOES NOT MEAN that if you voted Leave, then you are likely to be a climate change denier.

It's the same as living in Stoke on Trent,

If you live in Stoke On Trent (and voted in the referendum), then you have a 70% chance of having vote to Leave.

It does not meant that most Leave voters live in Stoke on Trent.

I wonder what odds you would get on guessing the way someone voted, given their views on a topic?

TheLamleys · 08/10/2019 21:38

Yanbu

Macca84 · 08/10/2019 21:45

Absolutely a correlation

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 08/10/2019 21:50

It's the same as living in Stoke on Trent,

If you live in Stoke On Trent (and voted in the referendum), then you have a 70% chance of having vote to Leave.

It does not meant that most Leave voters live in Stoke on Trent.

Well put! I've tried to explain the same thing but it doesn't seem to make any difference Grin

FiddlesticksAkimbo · 08/10/2019 21:52

I wonder what odds you would get on guessing the way someone voted, given their views on a topic?

Funnily enough, it does seem to be the leave voters who are unable to grasp the concept ...

BertrandRussell · 08/10/2019 22:23

It’s like trying to understand probability, isn’t it? Makes your head go round and round.

I don’t think for a moment that all Leavers are racists. But I am pretty sure that most racists are Leavers.

BertrandRussell · 08/10/2019 22:26

Most people are pretty predictable in their opinions. I think i’ve been surprised by two people’s votes in the Referendum.....my mil and one friend.

OublietteBravo · 08/10/2019 22:29

This take on opinion on climate change and political leaning is interesting, and resonates with me.
www.ted.com/talks/katharine_hayhoe_the_most_important_thing_you_can_do_to_fight_climate_change_talk_about_it/up-next

chomalungma · 08/10/2019 22:30

I wonder what views are more prevalent than in the general public - if you know someone is an MNer?

SinisterBumFacedCat · 08/10/2019 22:35

Aaron Banks tweeted that he was hoping Greta would drown on her transatlantic trip. Hmm

Notthebloodymustardcushion · 08/10/2019 22:38

Aaron Banks tweeted that he was hoping Greta would drown on her transatlantic trip. hmm

Jesus. That’s Reprehensible. No excuse for that shocking language, whatever side you are on.

EugenesAxe · 08/10/2019 22:39

Possibly ‘stupidity’.

Justanotherlurker · 08/10/2019 22:40

Absolutely a correlation

If we go down this line then the majority of labour constituents are easily led by populist rhetoric, if we follow the ardent remainer logic of why people voted leave and the amount of labour (vote for a red rosette on a donkey) leave areas.

We can add that labour supporters in general are less informed politically as is evidenced in the last election (search google, bbc article) , it kind of paints a murky grey area as what some on here still like to paint.

gostiwooz · 08/10/2019 22:40

I voted leave.

I also think that NF is an unmitigated tosser who doesn't know his arse from his elbow.

Justanotherlurker · 08/10/2019 22:44

Aaron Banks tweeted that he was hoping Greta would drown on her transatlantic trip. hmm

This is the type of shit flinging low tier political discourse has become, Jess Phillips said she would stab Corbyn not in the back but the front but i doubt the majority of labour supporters would agree.

It's this childlike broad brush associations is why it has become such a shit show, and no side is coming up on top. You should expand your reading knowledge other than the red tops of the mirror.

chomalungma · 08/10/2019 22:45

I also think that NF is an unmitigated tosser who doesn't know his arse from his elbow

I was surprised to see in a recent poll that 2% of Brexit party supporters wanted to stay in the EU.

Given that if someone supported the Brexit party, then it was very likely they wanted to leave the EU.

chomalungma · 08/10/2019 22:47

Jess Phillips said she would stab Corbyn not in the back but the front but i doubt the majority of labour supporters would agree

Do you think that using the metaphor 'to stab someone in the back' - which is a metaphor and not a literal saying - is very different to Aaron Banks saying that he hoped Greta would drown. Unless there is a well known metaphor I am missing?

Justanotherlurker · 08/10/2019 22:50

Do you think that using the metaphor 'to stab someone in the back' - which is a metaphor and not a literal saying - is very different to Aaron Banks saying that he hoped Greta would drown. Unless there is a well known metaphor I am missing?

You shifting the goal posts from your initial point isn't something i have to deal with.

It wasn't me using the broad brush initially.

Notthebloodymustardcushion · 08/10/2019 22:54

“Stab him in the front” is not the same use or connotation of the common metaphor “stab him in the back”.

This comment by Jess Philipps is equally as objectionable as the Greta tweet imho.

chomalungma · 08/10/2019 22:58

“Stab him in the front” is not the same use or connotation of the common metaphor “stab him in the back

I think people can see what the metaphor means. See your enemy in front of you instead of coming from behind, unaware

Whereas to hope someone drowns - can you see a metaphor in that?

time4chocolate · 08/10/2019 22:59

So it’s ok for Jess Philips to use her own take on a known metaphor regarding stabbing someone but when Nigel Farage does it then it’s an outrage and he is reported to the police Confused

DorisTheFlorist · 08/10/2019 22:59

@HeresMe

Leave voters also kill kittens and eat puppies

Is that true? Wow. Some of them seem quite nice. I'll make sure I lock Tiddles away when MIL comes to visit

LaurieMarlow · 08/10/2019 22:59

“Stab him in the front” is not the same use or connotation of the common metaphor “stab him in the back”

It’s obviously playing with a well known metaphor.

Hoping a teenage girl drowns is not.

I can’t believe posters on here sometimes, is it wilful stupidity?