to be so angry at this..Sick bastards burn effigy of Grenfell Tower for Bonfire Night.

[HelenaDove]

Im absolutely disgusted at this and it shows how far the stigma against social housing tenants has gone.

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YY Spider if someone said the same about an employer who owed them wages im willing to bet a lot more people would have less trouble seeing it as a threat.

Effigies of people burning alive are below competition, they are sick hard of thinking, disgusting and scummy

I agree that they should have to pay for the police time and protection. A fitting punishment.

YY @TrashyTerf

But what info could they possibly need?

I don't know, hilbo - the vileness of what they did seems pretty clear, so I was talking more about the principle of arrest that this particular case

FWIW, if no actual crime has been committed (and as I said, I don't have the knowledge to determine that) then I agree this may be a case of the police being seen to "do something" while the outcry simmers down

I don't suggest that's as things should be, merely that it's what may happen when baying mobs get involved - however justified their basic point might be

There is s big difference between posting a video on the internet and defacing a war memorial

The comparison I made was that the offence that usually gets people arrested is for peeing on war monuments when drunk. They end up vilified in the press, in jail or fined. They do no lasting damage - but they outrage public sensitivities. This is the comparison I'm making with these offenders who burned the effigy and made significantly racist and offensive comments. If one cannot be tolerated, how can the other be?

In 2016
Judge John Lodge, sentencing, said: 'Each of these offences is so serious that only a custodial sentence is appropriate. The two cases of outraging public decency involve urinating on a war memorial.

'Inevitably war memorials were constructed at the centre of towns and villages so on a daily basis people could be reminded of the sacrifices made by people who died.

'People use them as a place around which they congregate and that's not wrong, but when people take that step further and abuse them by urinating on them that's a matter the court needs to take very seriously indeed.'

So nobody was murdered and nobody was hurt - public decency was outraged.

A student caught urinating on a war memorial was spared jail today by a judge who renewed his attack on organised mass drinking sessions at universities.

Philip Laing, 19, was told that prison had been a serious option but the judge had "never seen anyone before him who was more contrite".

In 2009
"Laing, who started a sports technology degree at Sheffield Hallam university this year, was given 250 hours' community service for outraging public decency. He was caught on camera targeting a poppy wreath at the city's main memorial shortly before Remembrance Sunday, while hopelessly drunk after a pub crawl laid on by the firm Carnage"

Same thing - nobody was hurt or murdered, but public decency was outraged.

Drinken tits swinging off cenotaph flags (whatever happened to that little rich boy?) versus people who planned and executed something that takes the piss out of people who burned to death in very recent memory.

Both pretty low of you ask me.

YY @StoneofDestiny. They cant have it both ways.

Helena
Correct. Both offences have clearly been seen to outrage public decency - can't see why the effigy burners can walk away from it.

Excellent points @StoneofDestiny

The young chap who swung from Churchill’s memorial ended up doing jail time.

oh i didnt know that @user

Sorry Helena it was the Cenotaph and he was given 16 months and served 4 months.

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