Small boat arrivals at Gosport tonight - huge police motorcade

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This is the police escort for the latest small boat arrivals at Gosport tonight.

What on earth is going on with this country?

I don’t know how to link a video from Twitter. The videos show the full extent of the operation.

Right wingers reply to Tommy Robinson's Facebook reels saying "nobody cares"? You're trying really hard to be clever, it just isn't working out for you.

You're trying to liken the British fear of illegal foreign men invading the country to the Holocaust

Where- on this thread or otherwise- have I said anything like this?

Speaking of invading though, you do know that Britain has never been invaded by a non- European nation right? On the other hand we've invaded about half the world in the last 150 years, including Iraq and Afghanistan in recent years.

Well I will try and "have a wee think" using the facts of Nazi Germany if you both insist on trying to compare this to the boat invasion.

Did the Nazis did persecute their own Jewish citizens and try and blame them for society's ills by scapegoatimg them. Correct. Does it apply here? No..these men are not citizens of the UK. They have invaded. Yould need them to be citizens for that argument to work.

Did the Nazis persecute the Jews in other countries when they invaded those other countries? Yes. Does it apply here? No. We have not as far as Im aware invaded anywhere and persecuted young men.

So while I of course see what you are trying to argue, it doesn't really work in this case.

Where do you think the fascist rhetoric started?
Have you looked at the Nuremburg laws, could be a good place to start.

Why are you posting untruths? They are housed and fed. Were you unaware?

Are you another who can only think on very short timescales. Economic migrants don’t expect to reap the rewards immediately. That doesn’t stop them being economic migrants.

Are you genuinely suggesting they are genuine asylum seekers fleeing war or persecution???

The thing is that people coming here in the past made their own way .

My grandfather was an immigrant. No one gave him a house/benefits/money for unlimited children/permitted him to import numerous relations. He grafted.

I’ve seen the same point about immigration now to the US from Africa. This is the first group of immigrants who have specifically come for welfare, not to work.

The facist rhetoric started when the left staryed throwing it around at anyone who suggested we control our borders.

Unfortunately due to indiscriminate over-use it doesn't mean anything any more. The left have run out of good insults. I don't know where they will turn now.

My father worked very hard to get his family into the UK. Legally.

Largely to get away from the hateful treatment he grew up seeing his mother and sisters subjected to. Because of attitudes now being imported wholesale into the UK.

Is it propaganda that due to a combination of a 12 year old being raped in the town by migrants, and groups of them hanging around on the school run route/local parks, that our teenage girls have less freedom? Groups of mothers now accompany secondary school girls on every school run, and my own dd no longer goes to the park with her friends without an adult because they don't feel safe.

When I took my DM to the GP and then hospital, was it propaganda that made me notice the waiting rooms full of people not speaking english, or the poor receptionist having to spend 20+ minutes trying to understand what someone wanted infront of us in the queue?

Will it still just be propganda when your own eyes see it too?

Excellent post. Thank you.

And the moon might be made of cheese, but it isn't. Doing whatabouttery on proven domestic violence by the very worst people in the country is not a good look. This is not the gotcha you think it is. There is no evidence at all that foreign nationals are more likely to commit crimes.

This is nothing at all about "protecting women" and everything about pure xenophobia.

I think most sensible people agree both that..

A) calling for small boat migrants to be sunk, or celebrating them drowning is abhorrent
B) being concerned about, or protesting against, levels of migration or asylum isn't inherently racist nor akin to Nazi Germany

...not sure how many sensible people are left on the thread though.

You have misunderstood my point.

It’s not hard to understand why thousands of people from developing countries want to live here.

What is harder to explain is why our government is allowing this, to the detriment and against the will of its citizens.

Well, you'll be pleased to learn that asylum seekers get £5 a day, and recent immigrants have no recourse to public funds for many years.

You are not differentiating between asylum seekers and immigrants.

Your grandfather, if he was an immigrant, like immigrants today, have no recourse to public funds. If he was a refugee, then the home office would have paid for his resettlement.

There is no need to rewrite history.

There is no evidence about foreign nationals’ crime because the Govt is currently mounting a legal challenge to block publication of statistics.

Scandinavian countries, which do publish figures, gives rather a worrying picture.

Australia is an island nation. They had many deaths at sea too.

Now they don’t. They do selectively give humanitarian visas to women from refugee camps for safe passage. Which is far better than the system we have where the risk is immense.

Not seeing a whole lot of kindness on this thread from some towards anyone who wants the boats to stop or protests against them

stupid, rapists, wife beaters, bots, thugs, shall I go on?

Yeah, I do get that. But I imagine the same thing is going to happen in the UK too. People will migrate out of the too-hot south, for the north. I've already considered a move to Scotland to pre-empt the exodus.

Unfortunately, it's the protesters themselves that have provided that ammunition. Given that the figure generally attributed to them of somewhere in the region of 40% with charges or convictions of violence.

And @Mouldemort - I would suggest you take a jaunt down to Bournemouth and have a walk around - perhaps in the evening - and then say whether you are fine and dandy walking through the groups of migrant men there.

UK & European citizens generally work, pay taxes. Plus children, elderly & non workers.

Some go on holiday via the new system of
Passport, eye scan, finger prints, visa

Some people move countries permanently & create a new life

Genrally people conform

Versus

People due to their individual circumstances circumvent the established systems

I am not surprised that people are annoyed & have started to protest

Is there a cap to how many people will be accepted into each country ?

Why do some countries accept zero migrants ?

What is the solurion ?

People will always move for a better life

I presume 27 pages into this thread someone has already covered that a) we don't take an especially high number of migrants relative to other European countries b) Small boats arrivals became a thing in the last 10 years directly because of Brexit and leaving the Dublin Regulation where we lost the right to return people to other European countries

Yes perhaps we do have an issue with too many people wanting to come to this country, but we also bought it on ourselves.

Hundreds of years we spread our empire and spread our language over much of the world. So many countries still have political systems legal systems etc with that are at least loosely based on ours. For the many countries which are former colonies of ours, we retain some familiarity.

So is it really any surprise that our country is a popular destination for settling in? In much of the world if you were taught a second language it will be English. If that's where you claim asylum you're one step ahead already in building a new life if you can speak the language.

There's certainly an irony about a little Island taking over much of the world, returning it because those actions weren't really acceptable anymore, but now being a popular destination because of the familiarity became with our empire spreading.

I'm not sure what the answer is. I'd much prefer there was a legal route for people to claim asylum. But if they come by boat I certainly don't want people drowning.

I'm personally not going to criticize economic migrants either. Most of them are moving because they want a better life for their family, and for the next generation, I can't fault that aspiration.

Family and friends that have moved all over the world and have made new lives for themselves in different countries, so it would be hypocritical of thinking people shouldn't do that here.

But equally they have to be practical limits, where those are, whether we've reached them, and how we go about managing that I'm not sure.

Your father was very lucky to be able to do this legally. That’s not an option for these migrants in small boats.
I’m not saying there’s not a problem with what happens once they are here with where they are housed etc, but we have to allow them to land and be processed like your father.

Protesting in BLACK SHIRTS.

Slashing inflatable boats with law authorities on board.

Having convictions for assault of police officers, use of false passports, fraud, stalking, contempt of court, armed kidnapping.

But yeah, it's rhetorical fascism all right.

I think you have to do better than that if you want to convince a educated person. Where are the crime/population figures? (with reliable sources). Then perhaps apply a χ2 test, and give some attention to confounding factors in your statistical treatment (perhaps multivariable analysis?).