Labour isn't Working - Thread 40

[Nuthatch26]

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government. 🥀

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5568447-labour-isnt-working-thread-39?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=shareL

Trump has said they had eyes on them for a while / paper says it was an observant member is the public .

Thanks. Sounds like the same photo doing the rounds.

Yes there is conflicting info around. Deborah Haynes who is Sky's defence journo said she got a tip off lastnight that there was a threat to Fairford. If that's the case, why were they not spotted until a member of the public called it in? Very weird and the vans got extremely close.

Another person who lives locally said the residents nearby got woken at 1.30am and given only minutes to evacuate. I feel for them.

Im assuming there was intelligence that something was going to happen but the exact where and when was unknown. The local woman who called it in filled that gap.

Yes there’s a tweet in an RAF thread. Raised threat level via Pentagon before it happened plus local woman.

Yeah I read that the base was put on a higher threat level (delta?) before the event, so I find it worrying how three big white transit vans got so close.

This, added to the story I posted this morning about the Hamas POS living in the UK, and another foiled terror attack in Manchester has got me worrying.

Yep it all feels a bit chaotic doesn’t it. It was pure chance the woman saw the men. She was brilliant but everyone is lucky she was there.

Just watching the BBC news at 10.

Free, universal social care seems like pie in the sky. If it were free at the point of use, I think it would spur more and more demand. I think it would be like healthcare and the worried well.

Just caught up here. A lot going on.

Just seen that Labout plan to help themselves to people's vacant properties.

The events at Fairford should be at the forefront of the Government's mind (such as it is). National security has become more than just a pressing issue. Fairford won't be an isolated incident; it's just the one we know about.

On a personal note, we're on a mini road trip, first stop Sandringham and then on to East Yorkshire (again). DH went to school up here and loves to visit; I just enjoy the atmosphere and tranquility - an escape from the daily diet bad news and madness.

Doesn't surprise me at all a local person spotted them. My sister only a few miles away from there. I can't visit her and park in her village without someone popping out straight away to ask who we are and who we are there to see etc.

According to my sister who is currently away on holiday the local Facebook and WhatsApp groups are going crazy at the moment. She might not be home but every road block and tractor or large vehicle put across a gateway to block it she knows about within minutes at the moment.

Friend works in local government. She had a feeling this was coming.

DH belongs to a sports club. I don't enjoy it but he pops in at the weekend. It's mostly retired folks he knows with plenty of money. Anyway they got talking about attendance allowance. Half of them are claiming it. I asked how? They have busy social lives, play golf, go swimming at the local private pools in hotels. They said you just fill in a form, get someone who knows how to fill it in to do it, exaggerate, lie and you get the money.

Now some of them do have a spouse who truly needs help and gets it. But their fit partner, really!!

I was pretty disgusted, reminded me why I don't like people I shan't be going again. DH and I had a serious disagreement about it. He thinks why not. I said it's theft.

What Burnham is proposing will I fear be horribly abused by people who really shouldn't be getting it.

@justasking111 that does surprise me

My mum gets it and they spoke to her GP, the hospital doctor (the hospital stay having been what prompted the application) and the care home where she was in temporary respite.

you do get checked on to see if anything has changed so if people have applied when they are having problems, and then not tell the truth if they’ve recovered, then I suppose they might get away with it that way? But the DWP actually turn down a lot of applications.

I think it's two things they're either short staffed or lax in Wales where benefits are concerned.

1. These people are mid seventies upwards so unlikely to improve if they've put down say arthritis and hobble into the GP on sticks. One person actually googled the symptoms of something and recited it to the doctor.

Yes I know arthritis isn't fun my two knackered hips and spine can attest to that. But I can still, cook/clean/drive/shop etc. my only treat is a cleaner every few weeks to help with more awkward jobs which we do together.

Well said, Liz, well said.

This Del Somerville case is troubling. Two years for throwing a plastic bottle seems insanely disproportionate given that a) sex offenders get less b) I've seen footage of far more violent protests of different flavours where the majority were not arrested at all.
What really disturbs me though is the judge's comment that the sentence was to "act as a deterrent". Surely a sentence should reflect the crime and its circumstances solely? Jailing someone as a deterrent is banana republic stuff.

I feel mean to say it, but it will be open to both scope creep and abuse.

These chaps are being released early for Labour’s political prisoners. That’s how I see it. I grew up in Latin America in the 1980s, it’s grim and Labour should be pressured on this. We can have tough laws on protest if those laws are consistently applied. And consistent doesn’t mean favouring leftist protesters and cracking down on the right which will be labelled “far right.”

‘He will kill me’: victims imperilled as abusers get early release

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e84138ba-66c6-47a1-8e37-a91e39727f0b?shareToken=2eac79f34ded7d9d6ed2d7f2fcf6ba6c

Iranian regime shoot protesters as a detergent

Yes this is a slippery slope

Rather outrageous when there is footage of crowd of protesters at a different event throwing stuff and hitting police with flag poles. The police didn't even make any arrests or bother too in that case as far as I know.

I believe any abuse of police officers is wrong but all abuses should be treated according to there severity. In this case the justice system was abused for political and psychological purposes that is not OK.

Between this and unchecked/badly checked/ uncontrolled migration they are long term going to take away the rights of women to live freely and safely in this country. Gradually women will change their behaviour to stay safe and parents will keep their daughters from going out on their own etc.

Life for women and girls is going to look very different in the next ten years at this rate.

Great Post. Living in reasonably close proximity to an airbase, I often consider the danger. It's obviously tightly controlled but it would be one of the first places to be targetted. I'm so angry that our borders have been trampled over because of weak governments, more concerned about not reducing the welfare budget than protecting our defence.

I think people don't realise how poor the UK is. So they want everyone to get every wonderful thing, without any need for individuals to actually pay for it.

We're already spending £77 billion more each year than we have... with interest payments going up as we go more and more into debt.

How can people expect to get yet more free stuff?

The demands are endless.

Nailed it 😆