Thread 5 Burnham: Be More Dolly (Title edited by MNHQ at the request of the OP)

[DuncinToffee]

Welcome to our long running thread for political discussion, general chit chat, a friendly hug and taxes in kind.

💐 for anyone who needs them.

Previous thread
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5567240-thread-4-burnham-be-alert-the-world-needs-more-lerts?page=40&reply=154472439

Liz Truss, former Prime Minister, says she would not rule out a return to parliament - but says she would "keep all of her options open" about who she might stand for. [This suggests two/three options would be open - but a strong chance that both would rather not!]
www.express.co.uk/news/politic...

Sharing because it made me laugh.
(could be a sign I suppose - 4 horseman and Truss)

I could see her back in the Monster Raving Loony Party...

I can’t think why Badenoch wouldn’t welcome her back. If Badenoch can propose Griffith as chancellor then surely there’s no reason why Truss couldn’t be an MP.

The only reason she couldn’t be an MP would be an inability to find a constituency where she stood any chance to be elected. I suspect it might be quite a challenge.

Feeling exactly the same here.
My DC are late 20s/early 30s and work in creative arts industries. I thought they would be soaring into their futures.

Finding it very difficult to be Pollyanna and play the 'glad game' at the moment.

My DS is also in the arts/third sector world - and being made redundant next month. I am praying he finds something quickly. He tried the corporate world for a while and it just wasn’t good for him.

Hmmm, former Prime Ministers who were re-elected to parliament is a very small cohort. And not one that could bear the name Truss being added to it and retain any gravitas.

Wishing good luck to your DS.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/sep/11/sweden-brexit-hardline-migration-policy-britons-eu

and

https://www.theregister.com/ai-and-ml/2026/09/09/ai-models-dont-kill-people-people-kill-people/5295368

Yes. Of course. But AI takes the jobs of creatives. Keep on and we won’t have the Proms.
My ‘best case’ was against the alternative of it destroying the entire human race.

Do you think that there is no other AI or AGI which is currently able to adapt and hide from detection currently in our systems? That is what worries me, that the humans who think they are "in control" aren't and perhaps stories like the one posted are there to get public opinion to turn on the monkeys rather than the organ-grinder. I do agree human error is more deadly (to date) and don't trust the 5 men in charge at all. I do wonder if we actually really do still have free choice though, partly due to the money involved meaning governments are over a barrel and party because I am suspicious they know if a cleverer version is still "loose".

The internet is already a very odd place - so much of it is made up and hard to believe I wouldn't be surprised if it is mostly bots already. I wonder if at some point only certain programmes will be used by set jobs - AI for healthcare/legal and others with set protocols that just take out the middleman (GP or solicitor) and the rest of the internet will be ignored by people as fake news. I find myself doing that increasingly, anyway.

There is a future where AI makes the sort of art that AI likes. Which as we know will mean a lot of people will "like" it too.

Meanwhile meatbag art will be enjoyed by meatbags who look down on AI art.

It would be a cheap shot to mention experimental jazz, but if I had a beard I would probably be stroking it right now.

I'd recommend the E.M.Forster short story 'The Machine Stops' - seems remarkably prescient reading it again now.

At the beginning of the industrial revolution it took 3 generations for the incomes of the proletariat to recover.

The industrial revolution made it easier to breed like rabbits to power the changes.

The AI revolution is arguably doing the reverse Maybe it has already twigged we need fewer humans ????

Remember one species existential crisis is another species golden opportunity. If you think Darwin had a point.

The industrial revolution made it easier to breed like rabbits to power the changes.
The AI revolution is arguably doing the reverse

Couldn't agree more.

Exactly - one obvious way to eliminate human error... Maybe just keep a few about for certain "manual labour" such as building data centres.

Do you think that there is no other AI or AGI which is currently able to adapt and hide from detection currently in our systems?

How do we know it hasn't already ?

.

But is it an accident ?

A world with no humans and just machines could be seen as the evolutionary goal of a self aware machine. Much as a world with just humans and no nature seems to be ours.

Who knows ? Maybe it will turn out we failed to grasp the implications of evolution and needed AI to explain it. Practically ?

If you have devoured as much science and science fiction as I have (as well as various religious ramblings) then you can appreciate the Bards:

"There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy."

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5578332-thread-6-burnham-resitting-and-resetting

I was only popping in for a quick read and you have filled the thread.

Thanks for the suggestion @itsgettingweird

The end