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Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.

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DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 09:14

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TemperanceWest · 28/07/2026 15:05

placemats · 28/07/2026 15:03

It's a week. Am I the only person who finds this weird. Next time it'll be 24 hours in and what have they done for us?

That poll is done every month isn't it? So not really weird?

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2026 15:07

Philp posted a scaremongering video about immigration and family reunion yesterday which he had to delete.

https://bsky.app/profile/jdportes.bsky.social/post/3mroton727c2v

Chris Philp (Shadow Home Secretary) has now, finally, deleted this video.

It contained a number of (obviously) false claims based on his "research" which (deliberately or through incompetence) misinterpreted Home Office visa data.

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placemats · 28/07/2026 15:09

TemperanceWest · 28/07/2026 15:05

That poll is done every month isn't it? So not really weird?

The graph missed out May and June.

TemperanceWest · 28/07/2026 15:11

placemats · 28/07/2026 15:09

The graph missed out May and June.

June is there?

placemats · 28/07/2026 15:21

24th June. From 1st May.

cardibach · 28/07/2026 16:41

SerendipityJane · 28/07/2026 14:30

The thing is a bank robber or paedophile can also claim they are being "stitched up by the establishment", if you want to look at it that way. As can anyone who wants to break the law.

It's not a great argument.

Whether it’s a great argument or not is irrelevant. It also won’t be true. But his core voters will believe it. They don’t believe anything that comes out of official sources - just what Farage tells them.

SerendipityJane · 28/07/2026 16:57

cardibach · 28/07/2026 16:41

Whether it’s a great argument or not is irrelevant. It also won’t be true. But his core voters will believe it. They don’t believe anything that comes out of official sources - just what Farage tells them.

I think there has always been, and will always be a Farage core vote. And (like all core voters) they can generally be ignored. Granted this is a unique situation and as a single data point it's only of limited value.

It's the uncore but superficially attracted support that needs to be - and is being - peeled off slowly.

Thanks to Starmers and Bunhams best mate at 1,600 Pennsylvania Ave. the media space simply hasn't the space above the fold to drown us in tales of small boats. That and the rather unobliging weather, wildfires, earthquakes and other less important news, nobody is talking about small boats at the moment.

It's almost as if there are more important things on the agenda.

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2026 17:24

Why Badenoch's claim about last Tory government creating '14,000 new prison places' was misleading

At her press conference this morning, Kemi Badenoch said that the last Conservative government “created 14,000 new prison places”.

However, as the Press Association points out in a QuickCheck analysis, this figure on its own is deeply misleading.

PA explains:
Data from the government show that between May 2010 and April 2024, 14,142 prison places were added by building new prisons or adding more space in existing prisons.

However, there was a decrease in prison capacity of 13,660 in the meantime.
This meant that the overall number of prison places rose by 482 over that period.

(Guardian)

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SerendipityJane · 28/07/2026 17:25

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2026 17:24

Why Badenoch's claim about last Tory government creating '14,000 new prison places' was misleading

At her press conference this morning, Kemi Badenoch said that the last Conservative government “created 14,000 new prison places”.

However, as the Press Association points out in a QuickCheck analysis, this figure on its own is deeply misleading.

PA explains:
Data from the government show that between May 2010 and April 2024, 14,142 prison places were added by building new prisons or adding more space in existing prisons.

However, there was a decrease in prison capacity of 13,660 in the meantime.
This meant that the overall number of prison places rose by 482 over that period.

(Guardian)

They'd have been better off building a council house.

Notonthestairs · 28/07/2026 17:51

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2026 17:24

Why Badenoch's claim about last Tory government creating '14,000 new prison places' was misleading

At her press conference this morning, Kemi Badenoch said that the last Conservative government “created 14,000 new prison places”.

However, as the Press Association points out in a QuickCheck analysis, this figure on its own is deeply misleading.

PA explains:
Data from the government show that between May 2010 and April 2024, 14,142 prison places were added by building new prisons or adding more space in existing prisons.

However, there was a decrease in prison capacity of 13,660 in the meantime.
This meant that the overall number of prison places rose by 482 over that period.

(Guardian)

Good grief - the obfuscation is off the charts!

placemats · 28/07/2026 18:09

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2026 17:24

Why Badenoch's claim about last Tory government creating '14,000 new prison places' was misleading

At her press conference this morning, Kemi Badenoch said that the last Conservative government “created 14,000 new prison places”.

However, as the Press Association points out in a QuickCheck analysis, this figure on its own is deeply misleading.

PA explains:
Data from the government show that between May 2010 and April 2024, 14,142 prison places were added by building new prisons or adding more space in existing prisons.

However, there was a decrease in prison capacity of 13,660 in the meantime.
This meant that the overall number of prison places rose by 482 over that period.

(Guardian)

When Badenoch talks about the last Conservative Government, is she referring to Sunak or Cameron? And the three subsequent prime ministers in between?

Zonder · 28/07/2026 19:14

I think that's what's known in the business as A BIG FAT LIE.

LizzieW1969 · 28/07/2026 19:30

Notonthestairs · 28/07/2026 17:51

Good grief - the obfuscation is off the charts!

Definitely, but thats what Badenoch does a lot of, isn’t it?

BIossomtoes · 28/07/2026 19:32

Lies, damn lies and twisted statistics.

BIossomtoes · 28/07/2026 19:51

The smuggling gangs must now be using invisible dinghies.

😂

placemats · 28/07/2026 19:53

😂

PickAChew · 28/07/2026 19:56

BIossomtoes · 28/07/2026 19:32

Lies, damn lies and twisted statistics.

As of last week I have 6 extra pairs of socks. Let's just ignore the 5 holey pairs I disposed of the week before. That's too inconvenient to mention.

Imafluffykitten · 28/07/2026 20:34

BIossomtoes · 28/07/2026 19:51

The smuggling gangs must now be using invisible dinghies.

😂

Just like the ones here? Wasn’t that your link, Biossom?

www.gov.uk/government/publications/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats/migrants-detected-crossing-the-english-channel-in-small-boats-last-7-days

DuncinToffee · 28/07/2026 20:44

Crossings numbers are 45% lower than the number recorded by this time last year and down 18% on the same period in 2024.

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BIossomtoes · 28/07/2026 20:45

Ploppers are so cowardly, a name change especially for this post.

Imafluffykitten · 28/07/2026 20:46

BIossomtoes · 28/07/2026 20:45

Ploppers are so cowardly, a name change especially for this post.

miaow!

Saucery · 28/07/2026 21:05

SerendipityJane · 28/07/2026 20:58

It’s almost as if he wants to tackle the root causes of NEET. Well I never.

SerendipityJane · 28/07/2026 21:08

Saucery · 28/07/2026 21:05

It’s almost as if he wants to tackle the root causes of NEET. Well I never.

The Conservatives welcomed Prime Minister Andy Burnham's support for apprenticeships,

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