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Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.

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DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 09:14

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cardibach · Yesterday 11:38

I mean, it’s more likely that driving in a bus lane led to his fine for driving in a bus lane. He doesn’t deny he did it.
And as for ‘fixed inc9me as pensioners’ - he may well be. But it doesn’t immediately look like it’s a low fixed income based on his clothes and car…

SerendipityJane · Yesterday 11:44

cardibach · Yesterday 11:38

I mean, it’s more likely that driving in a bus lane led to his fine for driving in a bus lane. He doesn’t deny he did it.
And as for ‘fixed inc9me as pensioners’ - he may well be. But it doesn’t immediately look like it’s a low fixed income based on his clothes and car…

The very first comment on the FB post that shared that suggested that he take the sticker off, and then drive the same way (many times to be sure) to test his theory.

Somehow I bet he'd have an excuse for not being willing to eat his own bullshit.

However you will notice that narrative is now in the public consciousness of Liverpool.

I think the narrative was supposed to be

"Look how we poor patriots are being oppressed by the might of the blob",

however all I read is

"Reform supporters not only thick as pigshit, but too stupid to realise it. Sell your bridges here."

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:45

cardibach · Yesterday 11:38

I mean, it’s more likely that driving in a bus lane led to his fine for driving in a bus lane. He doesn’t deny he did it.
And as for ‘fixed inc9me as pensioners’ - he may well be. But it doesn’t immediately look like it’s a low fixed income based on his clothes and car…

This is not getting at any one on a pension at all.

But pensioner on a fixed income is bit of a common complaint which is a bit silly because most working people are also on fixed incomes. I can't go to my boss and ask him to raise my salary to fund my new hobby of driving in bus lanes. Yes, I guess there's an idea if you are working you could ask for extra hours etc but most workplaces aren't really like that anymore, it feels like an outdated idea (if it ever existed at all). Also, specially state pensions are a fixed income guaranteed to rise with inflation. Unlike salaried wages.

Also, he isn't on a low income because if he was he would have said he was. "Fixed income" is used when someone knows they can't pull the sympathy card based on being on a low income.

SerendipityJane · Yesterday 11:51

Persephonia1966 · Yesterday 11:45

This is not getting at any one on a pension at all.

But pensioner on a fixed income is bit of a common complaint which is a bit silly because most working people are also on fixed incomes. I can't go to my boss and ask him to raise my salary to fund my new hobby of driving in bus lanes. Yes, I guess there's an idea if you are working you could ask for extra hours etc but most workplaces aren't really like that anymore, it feels like an outdated idea (if it ever existed at all). Also, specially state pensions are a fixed income guaranteed to rise with inflation. Unlike salaried wages.

Also, he isn't on a low income because if he was he would have said he was. "Fixed income" is used when someone knows they can't pull the sympathy card based on being on a low income.

No one forced him to go to the papers. Although, he clearly isn't that bright, I can well imagine by the same token no one stopped him either.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 12:04

His RAF pension rises by the same percentage as armed services salaries every year. His “fixed” income is part index linked and part triple locked. Many working people would swap in a heartbeat.

itsgettingweird · Yesterday 12:24

SerendipityJane · Yesterday 11:25

Meanwhile, that nasty Andy Burham has set bus lane cameras to specifically catch Reform voters

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/bus-lane-pensioner-fears-punished-33833492

There isn't a machine that can safely read this level of stupid. And I suspect the paper in running this story may not be doing Reform any favours.

And yet we’re not allowed to call Reform voters thick 🙄

itsgettingweird · Yesterday 12:26

I can’t ask my boss for a wage increase to fund my new hobby of driving in bus lanes.

🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 that wins the internet this morning!

SerendipityJane · Yesterday 12:27

itsgettingweird · Yesterday 12:24

And yet we’re not allowed to call Reform voters thick 🙄

At this point it's like they are goading us ...

PickAChew · Yesterday 12:30

SerendipityJane · Yesterday 11:25

Meanwhile, that nasty Andy Burham has set bus lane cameras to specifically catch Reform voters

https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/bus-lane-pensioner-fears-punished-33833492

There isn't a machine that can safely read this level of stupid. And I suspect the paper in running this story may not be doing Reform any favours.

Most attacked.

Cheguevarahamster · Yesterday 12:31

We are not allowed to call Reform voters thick...

In other news Count Binface has released his manifesto.

Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.
SerendipityJane · Yesterday 12:34

Cheguevarahamster · Yesterday 12:31

We are not allowed to call Reform voters thick...

In other news Count Binface has released his manifesto.

Well worth my £

Cheguevarahamster · Yesterday 12:36

Cheguevarahamster · Yesterday 12:31

We are not allowed to call Reform voters thick...

In other news Count Binface has released his manifesto.

I particularly like 14. as this is my bugbear. I loathe loud exhausts, they do my head in.

In other, other news, the polls have crossed over!

First major poll to show Labour ahead of Reform since April last year, in this case by four points.

Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.
PickAChew · Yesterday 12:38

Ooh, feathers will be spat over that.

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 12:42

The "Starmer out" agitators may have made a mistake.

Piggywaspushed · Yesterday 12:44

Also enjoying the Rooney promise.

SerendipityJane · Yesterday 12:57

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 12:42

The "Starmer out" agitators may have made a mistake.

Focusing on individuals is always a high risk strategy. As is relying on them.

A lot of the dislike for "the Tories" abated when Major came in. Turned out it was more Mrs Thatcher people disliked.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 13:04

There will be much nail spitting over that poll.

Saucery · Yesterday 13:12

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 13:04

There will be much nail spitting over that poll.

Oh it will be The Wrong Sort Of Poll, or a Labour Plot, or if you have a Reform sticker on your car you weren’t allowed to take part. Or….something.

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 13:15

Apparently we’re giving up arguing with them and retreating to this thread because we’ve run out of steam. If that’s a challenge I accept it!

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 13:18

There are a couple of Muslim bashing threads running. I reckon most of left-leaning MN is staying away as we know how pointkess it is arguing with the unfashionable bigots. Quite a few deletions, though. The Great Replacement Theory is getting an outing.

PickAChew · Yesterday 13:19

BIossomtoes · Yesterday 13:15

Apparently we’re giving up arguing with them and retreating to this thread because we’ve run out of steam. If that’s a challenge I accept it!

Or we've decided that battles of wits with unarmed opponents are no fun. Whatever.

LizzieW1969 · Yesterday 13:20

SerendipityJane · Yesterday 12:57

Focusing on individuals is always a high risk strategy. As is relying on them.

A lot of the dislike for "the Tories" abated when Major came in. Turned out it was more Mrs Thatcher people disliked.

Yes, I remember that time very well. The Tories won the 1992 election only 18 months later.

TemperanceWest · Yesterday 13:23

Let them spew their hatred. There is bugger all point engaging with them. I noticed one enthusiastically anti-Muslim poster is missing in action. Must be on her holidays.

dapsnotplimsolls · Yesterday 13:23

Cheguevarahamster · Yesterday 12:36

I particularly like 14. as this is my bugbear. I loathe loud exhausts, they do my head in.

In other, other news, the polls have crossed over!

First major poll to show Labour ahead of Reform since April last year, in this case by four points.

Yebbut, this is only because of the SMEAR CAMPAIGN against the heroic Nige and Rich.

placemats · Yesterday 13:28

LizzieW1969 · Yesterday 13:20

Yes, I remember that time very well. The Tories won the 1992 election only 18 months later.

That's because Neil Kinnock tripped over on a beach.