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Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.

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DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 09:14

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SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 11:47

cardibach · 26/07/2026 11:41

I blame Govefor everything I can’t reasonably blame Thatcher for. And I blame Thatcher for Gove.

Weirdly, in the 90s, he was the bad boy of Tory politics. Going on edgy Channel 4 shows.

itsgettingweird · 26/07/2026 12:19

cardibach · 26/07/2026 11:41

I blame Govefor everything I can’t reasonably blame Thatcher for. And I blame Thatcher for Gove.

Now that’s a generalisation I can get onboard with 🤣

SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 12:41

A very succinct summary.

As an aside, I am amused that for all the hyperbole, the only really visible manifestation of "AI" has been to allow the proliferation of imagery to help illustrate the words in the text.

Now I am not saying it has a terribly retro 18th century feel to it , because i am not that bright. But I will say that I would be curious what conclusions people who have studied that period have reached about how it effected political discourse.

(I am reminded of every teacher who taught Shakespeare pointing out how he would run two plays together for mixed ability crowds .....)

Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.
SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 13:16

I'm 12

Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.
BIossomtoes · 26/07/2026 14:25

SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 13:16

I'm 12

Me too. 😂

itsgettingweird · 26/07/2026 15:38

SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 13:16

I'm 12

🤣🤣🤣

Persephonia1966 · 26/07/2026 15:49

That's also a really clever way of balancing the grid out a bit more while helping people on lower incomes
The only downside is that if everyone is using plug in batteries and plug in panels the savings won't be as much because they will smooth out the differences that led to cheaper times anyway. But it's still a good idea.

SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 16:03

Persephonia1966 · 26/07/2026 15:49

That's also a really clever way of balancing the grid out a bit more while helping people on lower incomes
The only downside is that if everyone is using plug in batteries and plug in panels the savings won't be as much because they will smooth out the differences that led to cheaper times anyway. But it's still a good idea.

However, at least we have moved away from the "get rich quick" scams previous governments were punting. (And which underpin a lot of the net zero bollocks beloved of Kemi and chums).

placemats · 26/07/2026 16:15

SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 16:03

However, at least we have moved away from the "get rich quick" scams previous governments were punting. (And which underpin a lot of the net zero bollocks beloved of Kemi and chums).

Exactly. PPE and yachts springs to mind whilst thousands died and were buried during restrictions that were armed forced.

cardibach · 26/07/2026 17:25

Streeting doing a ‘charm offensive’ (for which he seems woefully under armed…) to win back Trump and is talking to Hegseth apparently. There’s a bit of a tone of blame that relations soured under Starmer - but I reckon the way he dealt with Trump was the bit of Starmer’s premiership most people approved. I do not want better relations and I do not want us doing more to help the Us with their mess in the Middle East.

SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 17:34

cardibach · 26/07/2026 17:25

Streeting doing a ‘charm offensive’ (for which he seems woefully under armed…) to win back Trump and is talking to Hegseth apparently. There’s a bit of a tone of blame that relations soured under Starmer - but I reckon the way he dealt with Trump was the bit of Starmer’s premiership most people approved. I do not want better relations and I do not want us doing more to help the Us with their mess in the Middle East.

Anything we do should be as part of NATO.

And (bearing in mind I generally prefer evolution to revolution) I would tell the US to get their airbases the fuck out the UK. (If for no other reason than to halve our road deaths). No ifs, no buts, no maybes. That's what you get for shitting on the families of soldiers who died at the request of the US.

cardibach · 26/07/2026 17:47

Completely agree @SerendipityJane
They can fuck aaaaaalllllll the way off. And I don’t trust Palantir’s mate Streeting as far as I could comfortably spit a rat. His appointment is one of the reasons I’m heavily cynical about Burnham.

placemats · 26/07/2026 17:53

cardibach · 26/07/2026 17:25

Streeting doing a ‘charm offensive’ (for which he seems woefully under armed…) to win back Trump and is talking to Hegseth apparently. There’s a bit of a tone of blame that relations soured under Starmer - but I reckon the way he dealt with Trump was the bit of Starmer’s premiership most people approved. I do not want better relations and I do not want us doing more to help the Us with their mess in the Middle East.

Streeting often punches above his weight. It means nothing in US parlance. They'd rather have, checks notes,

Lord Cameron: 2023–2024
James Cleverly: 2022–2023
Elizabeth Truss: 2021–2022
Dominic Raab: 2019–2021
Jeremy Hunt: 2018–2019
Boris Johnson: 2016–2018
Philip Hammond: 2014–2016
William Hague: 2010–2014

Badvocthebad · 26/07/2026 18:05

Streeting is just offensive

SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 18:08

placemats · 26/07/2026 17:53

Streeting often punches above his weight. It means nothing in US parlance. They'd rather have, checks notes,

Lord Cameron: 2023–2024
James Cleverly: 2022–2023
Elizabeth Truss: 2021–2022
Dominic Raab: 2019–2021
Jeremy Hunt: 2018–2019
Boris Johnson: 2016–2018
Philip Hammond: 2014–2016
William Hague: 2010–2014

"I hope the enemy trembles as much as I do when he sees the names of our Generals"

(and the perennial

"I appear to have lost my leg, sir !"
"Indeed, you have, sir !"

virtual MNetty gin for the first to spot the links in "Connections" stylee).

placemats · 26/07/2026 18:28

Can't stand gin.

SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 18:35

placemats · 26/07/2026 18:28

Can't stand gin.

Virtual prosecco ? 😀Wine

placemats · 26/07/2026 18:37

What an insult 😂

DuncinToffee · 26/07/2026 18:42

No gin for me either, I didn't get the connection anyway so I am safe Grin

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placemats · 26/07/2026 18:47

I ordered Pimms and did the strawberry and cucumber thing with lemonade. It was bearable for one drink, which was long.

Do I throw it out?

placemats · 26/07/2026 18:49

SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 18:08

"I hope the enemy trembles as much as I do when he sees the names of our Generals"

(and the perennial

"I appear to have lost my leg, sir !"
"Indeed, you have, sir !"

virtual MNetty gin for the first to spot the links in "Connections" stylee).

Edited

Scr bst n th mssng vwls.

Edited for obvious reasons

SerendipityJane · 26/07/2026 18:52

placemats · 26/07/2026 18:47

I ordered Pimms and did the strawberry and cucumber thing with lemonade. It was bearable for one drink, which was long.

Do I throw it out?

I am vaguely remembering Elvis Juice from the disappointing Brewdog.

TemperanceWest · 26/07/2026 18:55

And I don’t trust Palantir’s mate Streeting as far as I could comfortably spit a rat

I want you buy you a drink for that @cardibach