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Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.

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DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 09:14

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SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 17:42

cardibach · 25/07/2026 17:32

Absolutely it is @DuncinToffee
Buying privilege. If people didn’t think it did that, they wouldn’t pay. Seems immoral to me.

Since it seems a day for contention, I would disagree.

What is immoral is using that privilege to perpetuate itself, rather than put it back into the society that fostered it.

I imagine that's probably a bit too much for some.

Saucery · 25/07/2026 17:42

And if we’re talking ‘envy’ then assuming good schools only happen in ‘leafy’ areas leaving everyone else to scrimp and save for a decent education is rather a fine example of it.

cardibach · 25/07/2026 17:47

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 17:42

Since it seems a day for contention, I would disagree.

What is immoral is using that privilege to perpetuate itself, rather than put it back into the society that fostered it.

I imagine that's probably a bit too much for some.

whose The idealist now? If it’s going back into the community there’s no need for the elitism. Just improve the general offer - though having worked in both sectors, there’s not much difference unless you are talking about really, really, elite organisations.

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 17:49

Saucery · 25/07/2026 17:42

And if we’re talking ‘envy’ then assuming good schools only happen in ‘leafy’ areas leaving everyone else to scrimp and save for a decent education is rather a fine example of it.

My best friend at school (family fled from Uganda in 1972) like me went to the local primary+middle, and local comprehensive. Fuck all privilege except (maybe) parents that cared about education and with fuck all money did their best.

I got 8 O levels (although one was an A/O level in extracurricular Electronics).

He got 9 and unconditional offers from Oxford and Cambridge. (Which he declined in the end).

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 17:51

cardibach · 25/07/2026 17:47

whose The idealist now? If it’s going back into the community there’s no need for the elitism. Just improve the general offer - though having worked in both sectors, there’s not much difference unless you are talking about really, really, elite organisations.

Just improve the general offer

Which is a good place to remind us all about the existence of faith schools.

Persephonia1966 · 25/07/2026 17:52

5128gap · 25/07/2026 16:51

I forget we once lived in a society where it was considered a good idea for less wealthy people to have nice things.

London is technically a forest.

cardibach · 25/07/2026 17:55

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 17:51

Just improve the general offer

Which is a good place to remind us all about the existence of faith schools.

Also not great for cohesion…

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 17:56

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 17:51

Just improve the general offer

Which is a good place to remind us all about the existence of faith schools.

That is our other catchment secondary.

For along time hardly any local children got in, that changed when the free bus service was cancelled. It's still best to avoid the road at start and end times.

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SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 17:58

Persephonia1966 · 25/07/2026 17:52

London is technically a forest.

The UK is a surprising league leader when it comes to urban green spaces

My own adopted hometown of Brum has over 600 parks and greens - so beating Paris and Berlin.

No wonder there is a housing crisis. These wildfires can't come quick enough. <dark sarcasm>

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 17:59

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 11:42

France and Spain are burning and Tice is posting 'don't look up' style posts about enjoying the hot weather.

Do people really fall for that crap?

(don't need to answer, we know already)

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yv4r5g55do

Richard Tice, in blue jacket, white shirt, and black and white tie, points with his finger while talking to reporters

Police investigate donations by Richard Tice company to Reform UK

Britain Means Business, owned by the party’s deputy leader Richard Tice, made two donations of £250,000 in the run-up to the 2024 general election.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yv4r5g55do

cardibach · 25/07/2026 17:59

There are other teachers on the thread, but here’s my experience. State schools are as good as anything else on offer, apart from really, really elite schools. Judging some by their outcomes is unfair. The best way to raise a schools data is by changing the intake. Those students with lower results are not the enemy. Let’s stop treating schools like sausage factories.

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 18:03

Anything to distract from more Cotterell money

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SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 18:07

cardibach · 25/07/2026 17:59

There are other teachers on the thread, but here’s my experience. State schools are as good as anything else on offer, apart from really, really elite schools. Judging some by their outcomes is unfair. The best way to raise a schools data is by changing the intake. Those students with lower results are not the enemy. Let’s stop treating schools like sausage factories.

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From what I saw at school, and in later life, the single biggest factor in children learning is their parents and their attitude to education and learning.

PickAChew · 25/07/2026 18:12

Murkier and murkier.

And here's some cloud tax. (living in a very small city, we don't have to go far from this built up pocket for some green leafiness).

Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.
placemats · 25/07/2026 18:26

Persephonia1966 · 25/07/2026 17:52

London is technically a forest.

It's technically sinking, especially in the SE area, but great engineering, and planning has saved it.

pointythings · 25/07/2026 19:17

cardibach · 25/07/2026 17:59

There are other teachers on the thread, but here’s my experience. State schools are as good as anything else on offer, apart from really, really elite schools. Judging some by their outcomes is unfair. The best way to raise a schools data is by changing the intake. Those students with lower results are not the enemy. Let’s stop treating schools like sausage factories.

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I'm not a teacher, but I agree. My kids went to our local secondary. When DD1 was born, it was a hellhole. They found a new head who really wanted to turn things around and she did - not by going all Michaela, but by using a lot of common sense. By the time my DD1 was of secondary age, it was a good school. Not elite, but solid.

My crappy little town in Suffolk has pockets of incredible almost Jaywick level deprivation. It also has nice areas. That is reflected in the student population. If you want to work hard and do well, the school facilitates that. It doesn't make assumptions about people based on their home address. We had a girl from DD1's year living with us for the last year of GCSEs because her parents were evicted and she would not have been able to do the subjects she had worked so hard for in the new school. She was the first in her family to ever get any GCSEs and she got 8.

The school runs support classes in GCSE year for all levels, from those who will struggle to pass anything at all to those who are sitting at a 6 but have the potential for 8 - 9. The teachers put their hearts into it. If you want to do well, the offer is there.

But it's not leafy. It's just a state school doing its job. It will never be rated outstanding because a chunk of its student population come from families who do not value education. You have to look past the surface stuff.

cardibach · 25/07/2026 20:42

Trump has declared his intention to run again in 2028. With a cap. At the Correspondents’ Dinner.
he did lots of other horroble shit too.

BIossomtoes · 25/07/2026 20:58

cardibach · 25/07/2026 20:42

Trump has declared his intention to run again in 2028. With a cap. At the Correspondents’ Dinner.
he did lots of other horroble shit too.

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What does with a cap mean? Surely the American people won’t stand for that, will they?

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 21:03

BIossomtoes · 25/07/2026 20:58

What does with a cap mean? Surely the American people won’t stand for that, will they?

"It was a joke"

LizzieW1969 · 25/07/2026 21:15

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 21:03

"It was a joke"

I wouldn’t be at all surprised if he did try to run again in 2028. And then refuse to accept it if he lost.

We can of course hope he won’t be alive in 2028.

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 21:15

Lab Lib pact?

Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.
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LizzieW1969 · 25/07/2026 21:19

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 21:15

Lab Lib pact?

That would be a very positive development, if only it had happened in 2010.

Persephonia1966 · 25/07/2026 21:20

BIossomtoes · 25/07/2026 20:58

What does with a cap mean? Surely the American people won’t stand for that, will they?

He literally wore a red cap with Trump 2028 on it when he announced he wanted to run again.

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BIossomtoes · 25/07/2026 22:23

Persephonia1966 · 25/07/2026 21:20

He literally wore a red cap with Trump 2028 on it when he announced he wanted to run again.

Thank you.