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Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.

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DuncinToffee · 23/07/2026 09:14

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DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 16:31

Well the secondary school my DC went to was 'one to avoid' on MN and at one stage required improvement.

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Saucery · 25/07/2026 16:33

Haha, I’m certainly not going to share my exact location with you, @derxa but I can assure you there are parts of it that are far from leafy. Including the part where DS went to primary school. We did look at private for secondary but decided against it. But you do your usual swingeing assumptions about the lives and backgrounds of posters on these threads Grin

derxa · 25/07/2026 16:34

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 16:31

Well the secondary school my DC went to was 'one to avoid' on MN and at one stage required improvement.

Why did you send your dc to a school llke that

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 16:36

derxa · 25/07/2026 16:34

Why did you send your dc to a school llke that

Because the way catchments work in our area and it wasn't a bad school despite what MN and Ofsted thought.

Did your DC go private?

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SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 16:42

placemats · 25/07/2026 16:30

Taking your children out of private school half way through the year demonstrates a lack of foresight, given it was in the Labour manifesto. @derxa

A bit like sending your child to Italy from the UK with only an Italian passport because you couldn't be arsed to get them a British passport and didn't take heed of the new regulations. So, no surprise, the child couldn't return on their Italian passport.

Edited because posted too soon.

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So, no surprise, the child couldn't return on their Italian passport.

Except that isn't the case. We haven't yet reached the point where a UK citizen can be refused entry to the UK because of an administrative oversight.

That being said, I wouldn't try it willingly.

derxa · 25/07/2026 16:43

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 16:36

Because the way catchments work in our area and it wasn't a bad school despite what MN and Ofsted thought.

Did your DC go private?

They did. It meant I could go to teacher training and then work as a teacher much more easily. A generally good experience. We paid for it through money inherited from my brothers estate. He died at 32.

placemats · 25/07/2026 16:47

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 16:42

So, no surprise, the child couldn't return on their Italian passport.

Except that isn't the case. We haven't yet reached the point where a UK citizen can be refused entry to the UK because of an administrative oversight.

That being said, I wouldn't try it willingly.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/16/british-girl-stranded-rome-six-weeks-new-passport-rules

Nor would I try it willingly.

British girl, 15, stranded in Rome for six weeks due to new passport rules

The dual national, who missed six weeks of school, is latest of several children affected by recent Home Office policy

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2026/jul/16/british-girl-stranded-rome-six-weeks-new-passport-rules

TemperanceWest · 25/07/2026 16:48

derxa · 25/07/2026 16:26

Lucky old you living in a leafy area. I suspect that applies to most of the Labour mumsnetters

Leafy doesn't equal wealthy.

Where I am the 1960s council house
architects had the foresight to include lots of trees in their planning, many of which are still standing and some are magnificent. They understood poorer people deserve leafy environments too. And yes, many of the council houses are still council houses. In fact they are building some new social housing on the existing leafy estate.

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 16:48

You had the money to do so, most people don't

Still doesn't make the policy spiteful or immense damaging.

Or justifies your comment

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TemperanceWest · 25/07/2026 16:49

derxa · 25/07/2026 16:34

Why did you send your dc to a school llke that

What a shitty thing to say.

5128gap · 25/07/2026 16:51

TemperanceWest · 25/07/2026 16:48

Leafy doesn't equal wealthy.

Where I am the 1960s council house
architects had the foresight to include lots of trees in their planning, many of which are still standing and some are magnificent. They understood poorer people deserve leafy environments too. And yes, many of the council houses are still council houses. In fact they are building some new social housing on the existing leafy estate.

I forget we once lived in a society where it was considered a good idea for less wealthy people to have nice things.

Saucery · 25/07/2026 16:51

derxa · 25/07/2026 16:43

They did. It meant I could go to teacher training and then work as a teacher much more easily. A generally good experience. We paid for it through money inherited from my brothers estate. He died at 32.

Lucky old you, coming into an inheritance that was enough to send your DC private. Since you like to throw unfair assumptions about, there’s mine Smile

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 16:52

The trees are giving shade in this heat

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SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 16:53

So, what I said then. "delayed" doesn't mean "never".

And as I said, I wouldn't try it myself.

(DB still has his UK passport, as well as a US one and an EU one. I hear a lot of travel talk).

derxa · 25/07/2026 16:53

Saucery · 25/07/2026 16:51

Lucky old you, coming into an inheritance that was enough to send your DC private. Since you like to throw unfair assumptions about, there’s mine Smile

It wasn’t lucky at all. My beloved brother died far too young. We tried to make the best of it.

Saucery · 25/07/2026 16:54

5128gap · 25/07/2026 16:51

I forget we once lived in a society where it was considered a good idea for less wealthy people to have nice things.

The council estate my Dad grew up on was amazing! Huge gardens (partly for growing veg), roomy proportions…..real sense of community that endured well after the time he grew up and moved away.

Saucery · 25/07/2026 16:55

derxa · 25/07/2026 16:53

It wasn’t lucky at all. My beloved brother died far too young. We tried to make the best of it.

I’m sure it devastated your family and I am sorry, that is no age to go.
Maybe think about leaving off the assumptions in general, eh?

placemats · 25/07/2026 16:57

I have duel citizenship, Irish and British. Win win situation. @SerendipityJane

BIWI · 25/07/2026 16:59

I'm fortunate enough to live in a Labour-controlled council, and they have an active plan to build more social housing:

The council aims to build 400 new council homes for social rent by 2027, constructed to high energy-efficiency standards known as PassivHaus to reduce running costs. Construction has begun on the first phase, with 75 homes underway across three sites* ... supported by funding from the Mayor of London’s Affordable Homes Programme.

  • X: 36 one- and two-bedroom apartments.
  • Y: 21 homes.
  • Z: 18 apartments and larger family homes.
  • A: Additional sites include land at xxx
Acquisition of Social Housing

To further address the shortage, the council has approved the acquisition of 146 social homes at the former x site. This decision followed criticism of developer St William, who initially failed to deliver affordable housing due to viability concerns. These homes will be transferred to the council’s Housing Revenue Account within two to three years, bringing the total number of council-owned social homes to 221.

It's still not enough, of course, but at least they're doing it.

*deleted the actual places as don't want to be too outing!

placemats · 25/07/2026 17:00

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 16:53

So, what I said then. "delayed" doesn't mean "never".

And as I said, I wouldn't try it myself.

(DB still has his UK passport, as well as a US one and an EU one. I hear a lot of travel talk).

Where in this thread of posts does anyone mention 'delayed' or 'never'?

SerendipityJane · 25/07/2026 17:04

placemats · 25/07/2026 17:00

Where in this thread of posts does anyone mention 'delayed' or 'never'?

Again, I'm spinning a bit 2-0 you.

cardibach · 25/07/2026 17:18

derxa · 25/07/2026 16:26

Lucky old you living in a leafy area. I suspect that applies to most of the Labour mumsnetters

Wrong. When my daughter was in school 8m lived in a village wot( significant issues in t( midlands and then a very rural area in West Wales. I’ve worked 8n state and independent education. I still think independent is a) not necessarily better and, more importantly, b) wrong on a societal level.
As a head of department of a core subject in both sectors I couldn’t have afforded it for my child. It’s beyond most of the country.

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 17:24

Isn't that the point of private education, out of reach for most people?

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cardibach · 25/07/2026 17:32

Absolutely it is @DuncinToffee
Buying privilege. If people didn’t think it did that, they wouldn’t pay. Seems immoral to me.

DuncinToffee · 25/07/2026 17:40

We mustn't upset the <10%, better bash the 'undeserving'

£2 bus ticket, how dare he!

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