Thread 2 Burnham : Coragem e Esperança.

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I just think handing Britain over to some for of far right (though Farage flavour does seem to be foundering thank goodness) is inevitable if someone doesn’t have the courage to do something about growing inequality. A big something, that actually changes it. I don’t really want a change of PM, but why did anyone want one if it wasn’t to change what was being done?

And this is where it would be fine for Burnham and Healey to say that the world is a very different place to what it was two years ago, thanks to the dayglo turdheap, so the fiscal rules need revising to keep us out of trouble.

I agree with that. Unfortunately I think some welfare reform is inevitable alongside to make that convincing to the majority of the electorate.

The way to do those big changes is to put it to the electorate via an election manifesto. The problem is now genuinely isn't the right time. And when it is, the temptation for Labour will be to play it safe (ming vase time) out of fear that doing otherwise will scare of the moderates. So the can gets kicked down the road some more.
It's also possible that they are right to be afraid of pissing of the electorate re wealth taxes etc. In which case as a country we do get what we deserve I guess.

Andy Burnham has cheered me up. His optimism is great. He would never have approved those daft farm tax and private school vat policies. Spite never works

PS Vat was in the manifesto, why would he not have approved it?

Spite? Again these policies are affecting the few not the many.

Tax raising initiatives after the giant whack to the economy delivered by the Tories’ Brexit.

Policies which have caused immense harm to people without much financial gain.

Do you use spite when it concerns benefits, immigration?

It hasn't caused immense harm.

I don’t understand. The policies have caused immense harm to children. You don’t agree because you think farmers and private school children deserve it.

That is absolute bollocks derxa Very low from you to say that.

And it hasn't done immense harm to children. Underfunding and austerity has.

0.2% of UK children are now attending state school rather than private school. There has been no measure of 'harm caused' because of this as far as I'm aware. What data are using?
For perspective, 31% of UK children are being raised in poverty. The harm arising from that is well evidenced.

Any way I don’t believe Andy Burnham would have touched those stinking policies with a barge pole.

Have you got children. Would you like them to have been hoiked out of school halfway through the school year

A private school where I grew up has gone into administration recently. It has been struggling for years and years, way before VAT on fees was a twinkle in any politician’s eye. It traded on being very old and established but failed to capitalise on academic and pastoral strengths that it had in its heyday. Its sports teams were held up as The Best but that failed to show on the pitch (consistently hammered by my DS’s state school, for instance) It overstretched itself with Junior and EYFS sites which also couldn’t compete in an educational market where state offers were better. VAT on fees might have been the teeny tiny cherry on the cake of its downfall but decades of laurel-resting and inadequate financial planning were the main contributors to the failure.
I feel sorry for the parents hoodwinked into thinking they were paying for a superior education but for the last 30 years we could all see it was smoke and mirrors and wool blazers.
it has been bought by an overseas school chain. I do hope that company isn’t of the same ilk as the asset stripping overseas companies that swooped in for the likes of Durham School (for example).

A private school where I grew up has gone into administration recently. It has been struggling for years and years, way before VAT on fees was a twinkle in any politician’s eye. It traded on being very old and established but failed to capitalise on academic and pastoral strengths that it had in its heyday.

That could be a word for word description of the Tory party.

Half way through the year appears to be bad financial planning by the parents.

Have you got children. Would you like them to have been hoiked out of school halfway through the school year
If I was considering private education I would have had the foresight to think “what if the fees go up?” and cut my cloth accordingly. Fortunately, I didn’t have to seriously consider it as a mixed demographic primary and very good secondary/6th form were available in the state sector. I do realise not everyone has those advantages but if VAT means you have to immediately pull your children out of private school then maybe it wasn’t the best option for a family’s finances. ‘Private education term fees are only going to keep on rising’ shouldn’t have come as a shock to anyone.

If I was considering private education I would have had the foresight to think “what if the fees go up?” and cut my cloth accordingly.

There is somewhere in there a chance to weave in the "you shouldn't have kids if you can't afford them" trope beloved of the permadim.

Not at all, Jane. Education is free to all. If you want extras, as in all aspects of life, you may well have to pay money for them, so best to make sure you have that money plus some for the inevitable rise in costs.
I know state education can be shit in many areas, but so can private and many fee paying parents are now finding out just how shit the latter can be.

I'd not have put myself in the position in the first place. I disagree with private education.

Oven ready as well.

Lucky old you living in a leafy area. I suspect that applies to most of the Labour mumsnetters

And how is that different to assuming that all farmers are wealthy?

Taking your children out of private school half way through the year demonstrates a lack of foresight, given it was in the Labour manifesto. @derxa

A bit like sending your child to Italy from the UK with only an Italian passport because you couldn't be arsed to get them a British passport and didn't take heed of the new regulations. So, no surprise, the child couldn't return on their Italian passport.

Edited because posted too soon.