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Would you object to this comment in a headteacher’s staff address? WWYD?

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Meckrel · 20/07/2026 14:38

End of term address to staff by the HT of a large and successful secondary school.

There were some tech problems at the start and he opened his remarks by saying "two things I hate, microphones and women who say no".

Now, who knows what he was actually thinking. I don't think (hope) he meant sexually, but even in the context of "difficult" women that's not OK for a teacher and employer to say? Is it?

It was an address to staff thanking them for the year etc etc. Most people laughed. Would you?

OP posts:
Candymouth · 20/07/2026 20:39

Meckrel · 20/07/2026 20:38

Laughing and finding it funny are not necessarily the same thing.

How do you know whether those laughing or not were being genuine? I would presume an adult teacher laughing is… laughing because they find it funny.

and if they weren’t being genuine and felt they had to laugh at this appalling comment… that in itself is concerning

EmmaB1309 · 20/07/2026 21:07

Ew no that’s totally inappropriate!

Humblebumbley · 20/07/2026 21:10

Gross

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Maisey1991 · 20/07/2026 22:05

ShetlandishMum · 20/07/2026 14:40

I would think it was a staff joke and carry on.

Absolutely not appropriate- what message is that sending to people?? It’s 2026 this type of bollocks needs reigning in

Bigreddog25 · 20/07/2026 22:25

That's actually outrageous. But this is mumsnet so you'll get the pick me's telling you it's just a joke.

Bigreddog25 · 20/07/2026 22:31

RanniTheWitch · 20/07/2026 15:43

I remember I once told my personal trainer I wanted to play with his battle rope. I genuinely wanted to have a go at using the battle rope (a piece of gym equipment) but I actually said the words “I want to play with your battle rope” and he just stared at me awkwardly. I didn’t even realise until hours later that he thought I was coming onto him. I felt absolutely awful and almost text him to apologise, but then decided the best option was just to never mention it again. Luckily he was more reasonable than some posters here and didn’t get me banned from the gym for inappropriate behaviour over one stupid comment.

My point is, we can all say stupid things sometimes. He might not have realised what he was saying. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

Those things aren't remotely similar are they? You said you wanted to use his gym equipment and the head teacher said he hates women who say no.

His comment wasn't misinterpreted by the poster like yours was by the trainer. He actually meant what he said.

Bigreddog25 · 20/07/2026 22:36

MyDarlingRose · 20/07/2026 17:23

No but it’s ok to dislike being rejected. That’s normal.

Ita not OK to hate a woman for rejecting you for a date is it?? That's incel behaviour.

StarDolphins · 20/07/2026 22:50

I wouldn’t complain or be upset about this at all!

Chilly80 · 20/07/2026 23:30

Completely inappropriate

Dered · 20/07/2026 23:31

Totally inappropriate. If a teacher said that to a class what would SMT do ?
Abhorrent

GentlemanJay · 20/07/2026 23:32

Bloody odd.

Pyjamatimenow · 20/07/2026 23:34

I’m a teacher, dh is a teacher and we are both shocked. Definitely needs a complaint. He’s not fit for the job

donotgettheangst · 20/07/2026 23:57

Completely unacceptable, and to be reported! It's not a joke - it's encouraging sexual assault.

Candymouth · 21/07/2026 07:13

StarDolphins · 20/07/2026 22:50

I wouldn’t complain or be upset about this at all!

You are likely very vulnerable to horrible men then @StarDolphins

ByQuaintAzureWasp · 21/07/2026 08:58

Pass on to your trade union to deal with. Totally unacceptable.

ParsleySageToiletDuckAndBinBags · 21/07/2026 10:27

Passingthrough123 · 20/07/2026 18:23

Ah. I see what you meant. Well, I still mean what I wrote. There's zero context from OP that he said this in the context of meaning he'd sexually assault or rape a woman who said no, if this incident even happened at all.

I'm going to say this, and I'll probably get flamed for it, but I don't understand the automatic man hate on MN. As the mother of a DD, I call out men's shitty behaviour to her and she's got brilliant boundaries. I have been on the receiving end of shitty behaviour and my boundaries are rock solid too. (FYI, I call out women's shitty behaviour too!) But as I get older, approaching mid-50s, I do worry that the prevailing assumption that every man deep down is a rape-driven sexual deviant is what's driving the likes of Andrew Tate to fill men's head with even more dangerous rhetoric. It's like everything is black and white and there's no nuanced thinking. It's us versus men and that's it, and if you dare to suggest that not every behaviour or comment by a man has deviant intent, you're leapt on for not being a feminist or called even worse names. Go sisterhood.

Or maybe it's just Mumsnet, because I don't have these damning conversations about men in real life with my friends. I pity your sons growing up though – young men are being doomed even before they've even had the chance to prove themselves.

Edited

I hate it too when MNers treat all men as one big homogenous blob and express their hate for them all because of what some of them do... but that is absolutely not the case here. Here, it is actually one of those men who has said something that strongly indicates misogyny on his part - and so HE is being taken to task for it.

Even if he did only mean it 'innocently', it was only 'funny' in the context of people understanding it as though he DID mean it in the obvious way it would be taken. Jimmy Carr does this as his stock-in-trade: using deniability and faux-innocence for when he pushes things too far, but we all know his full intention.

CurlewKate · 21/07/2026 10:47

ParsleySageToiletDuckAndBinBags · 21/07/2026 10:27

I hate it too when MNers treat all men as one big homogenous blob and express their hate for them all because of what some of them do... but that is absolutely not the case here. Here, it is actually one of those men who has said something that strongly indicates misogyny on his part - and so HE is being taken to task for it.

Even if he did only mean it 'innocently', it was only 'funny' in the context of people understanding it as though he DID mean it in the obvious way it would be taken. Jimmy Carr does this as his stock-in-trade: using deniability and faux-innocence for when he pushes things too far, but we all know his full intention.

I just don’t see “automatic man hate” on Mumsnet. What I see is “automatic give men the benefit of the doubt” “automatic appease men” “automatic poor men they’re trying their best”……

Candymouth · 21/07/2026 14:38

Passingthrough123 · 20/07/2026 18:48

I said it's driving him, yes. Did I blame women for his existence? No. That's my point, there's no nuanced thinking on MN any more, just a herd mentality. And attacks/abuse for anyone who dares to voice a different opinion to the herd.

Oh, and look, there's OP jumping back on with the context. Wasn't a sexual comment at all.

But thank you @Pallisers, you've managed to persuade me to what I've been thinking of doing for a very long time and I'm off to deactivate my account. The MN mindset is just too narrow and too hysterical to take any debate on here seriously any more.

Oh no way will you de activate. You’ll just name change @Passingthrough123 !

Candymouth · 21/07/2026 14:40

Meckrel · 20/07/2026 16:31

He's bit of a joker, likes to be one of the lads, but I've not heard this kind of thing before.

The school really has worked hard on sexualised language and misogyny in students!

In your later posts you go on and on about how you don’t think that he meant anything sexual by it.

So why tell us how hard the school has worked on sexualised language? @Meckrel

Pallisers · 21/07/2026 18:09

I think I've hit bingo with the "hysterical". Thanks passingthrough.

Meckrel · 21/07/2026 18:12

Candymouth · 21/07/2026 14:40

In your later posts you go on and on about how you don’t think that he meant anything sexual by it.

So why tell us how hard the school has worked on sexualised language? @Meckrel

Edited

In my first post I said I didn't think it was sexual. It was only after everyone else assumed it was I reinforced this, and mentioned the work the school has done.

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AlwaysExtraHot · 21/07/2026 18:14

Absolutely unacceptable. And it doesn’t matter how he might have meant it/what missing context there might be, for all those on this thread tying themselves in knots to justify/explain it away; he is always representing the school and he needs to behave in line with that.
I’d write to the governors, personally.

WhereAreWeNow · 21/07/2026 18:33

Yes, I would object @Meckrel
You're definitely not wrong to be angry or shocked. I think it's an incredibly sexist comment.
It's not just a thoughtless joke. This isn't a gauche comment by a young person in their first job. This is a HT. All the school leaders I've worked with have held themselves (and been held to) extraordinarily high standards - much more so than any other sector I've worked with/in. I'm constantly amazed by their professionalism and leadership skills. A lot of thought tends to go into speeches like that. I don't think there's any excuse for a bit of improvised sexist banter!
I'm not sure what I would do. I think I would start by chatting informally to trusted colleagues to see if they felt the same way. It might be easier to raise if several of you were thinking WFF.
Do you have a union rep? If so, I would probably talk to them about it too. They might be able to raise it on behalf of several members of staff.
Is the school part of a MAT?

FrippEnos · 21/07/2026 18:34

Meckrel · 20/07/2026 18:47

I hadn't assumed it was a sexual remark at all. I thought he probably meant women, probably in the workplace. who don't do as they're told without question. Stil not Ok?

this still isn't OK.

HTs get rid of teachers because they ask questions, often because HTs can't answer the questions and then force the teachers out.

WhereAreWeNow · 21/07/2026 18:35

Ps. I find it outrageous and unacceptable regardless of whether there was a rapey subtext. Obviously that would make it even worse but I still think it's outrageous if the implication was that he doesn't like his wife or women staff members to disagree with him.
What a prize dickhead.

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