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Would you object to this comment in a headteacher’s staff address? WWYD?

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Meckrel · Yesterday 14:38

End of term address to staff by the HT of a large and successful secondary school.

There were some tech problems at the start and he opened his remarks by saying "two things I hate, microphones and women who say no".

Now, who knows what he was actually thinking. I don't think (hope) he meant sexually, but even in the context of "difficult" women that's not OK for a teacher and employer to say? Is it?

It was an address to staff thanking them for the year etc etc. Most people laughed. Would you?

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ChalkOutlines · Yesterday 18:53

Passingthrough123 · Yesterday 18:48

I said it's driving him, yes. Did I blame women for his existence? No. That's my point, there's no nuanced thinking on MN any more, just a herd mentality. And attacks/abuse for anyone who dares to voice a different opinion to the herd.

Oh, and look, there's OP jumping back on with the context. Wasn't a sexual comment at all.

But thank you @Pallisers, you've managed to persuade me to what I've been thinking of doing for a very long time and I'm off to deactivate my account. The MN mindset is just too narrow and too hysterical to take any debate on here seriously any more.

OP’s context doesn’t really make it any better though, does it?

Meckrel · Yesterday 18:55

Passingthrough123 · Yesterday 18:48

I said it's driving him, yes. Did I blame women for his existence? No. That's my point, there's no nuanced thinking on MN any more, just a herd mentality. And attacks/abuse for anyone who dares to voice a different opinion to the herd.

Oh, and look, there's OP jumping back on with the context. Wasn't a sexual comment at all.

But thank you @Pallisers, you've managed to persuade me to what I've been thinking of doing for a very long time and I'm off to deactivate my account. The MN mindset is just too narrow and too hysterical to take any debate on here seriously any more.

I never said it was sexual. In fact I specifically said in my OP that I didn't think it was intended that way.

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MagicThanks · Yesterday 18:55

I would have left the room. Awful.

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ProudCat · Yesterday 18:56

Meckrel · Yesterday 14:38

End of term address to staff by the HT of a large and successful secondary school.

There were some tech problems at the start and he opened his remarks by saying "two things I hate, microphones and women who say no".

Now, who knows what he was actually thinking. I don't think (hope) he meant sexually, but even in the context of "difficult" women that's not OK for a teacher and employer to say? Is it?

It was an address to staff thanking them for the year etc etc. Most people laughed. Would you?

I'd report it via CPOMS and also direct to HR, copying in the head of HR. This wouldn't stand in the trust I work in.

concertinacornflake · Yesterday 18:57

RanniTheWitch · Yesterday 15:32

Have you never made a stupid comment without properly engaging your brain and then regretted it later? I know I have, and I like to think I’m not a bad person.

Yes, the comment was bad, but it doesn’t mean he is bad. I’d be watching out for any further comments like this, and complaining at that point, but if it’s genuinely a one off, I’d let it go.

Stupid is different to disgusting.

Neverforgetwhothisisfor · Yesterday 18:58

Not OK - I’d be tackling the guy in person, in front of his boss, to ask him to explain what he meant by that remark.

Rowboat · Yesterday 19:04

RanniTheWitch · Yesterday 15:43

I remember I once told my personal trainer I wanted to play with his battle rope. I genuinely wanted to have a go at using the battle rope (a piece of gym equipment) but I actually said the words “I want to play with your battle rope” and he just stared at me awkwardly. I didn’t even realise until hours later that he thought I was coming onto him. I felt absolutely awful and almost text him to apologise, but then decided the best option was just to never mention it again. Luckily he was more reasonable than some posters here and didn’t get me banned from the gym for inappropriate behaviour over one stupid comment.

My point is, we can all say stupid things sometimes. He might not have realised what he was saying. Give him the benefit of the doubt.

Double entendres can happen. A woman saying no isnt a double entendre, is it. Unless there's some really explicit context for this, this is a complete no go statement. My jaw dropped . I would be saying something.

Casperroonie · Yesterday 19:21

OMG VOMIT.

No, that's not acceptable, it is not the 1970s.

He needs to go on some training. And apologise.

ScoobyT · Yesterday 19:24

I feel as if this is probably missing a lot of context especially if you said there was technical issues before hand. Was that related?

Meckrel · Yesterday 19:25

ScoobyT · Yesterday 19:24

I feel as if this is probably missing a lot of context especially if you said there was technical issues before hand. Was that related?

I don't know. It's possible, but neither I nor must of the audience would have been aware of it. Either way how would context have made that OK?

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LemonGelato · Yesterday 19:27

HelenAnerley · Yesterday 14:45

Oh dear he’s a bit old school. Cue outrage.

You think it's funny? Or that people who would complain are just fun sponges who can't take a joke?. Is 'old school' implying he's older and so hence it's somehow normal/OK for a old bloke to say it? Or that you have a sense of humour (just bantz) and no one else does.

Because if ageism is your intention, how about knocking that on the head. I'm probably old enough to be your 'old school' (60) and I don't have any male friends who'd say anything like that. Or indeed think it. And no, it's isn't fun spongey or 'cue outrage' to think it's misogynistic and inappropriate and consider complaining.

It's also frankly stupid as he could face serious problems if OP or anyone else complains. Which I hope they do. I bloody would.

Myfridgeiscool · Yesterday 19:30

Whoa!!!! That’s next level wrong.
No way would I put up and shut up with that!

IdaGlossop · Yesterday 19:34

HT: 'Poor me. I'm surrounded by stroppy women who don't do what I want.' I wouldn't have taken it as sexual either. What I would have done though is go and see him afterwards and put him on the spot by asking what he meant.

RoxyRoo2011 · Yesterday 19:52

Absolutely unacceptable and needs to be called on it. He probably didn’t mean it but in this day and age he needs to know it’s horrendously offensive and not at all appropriate. I’m astounded that a head teacher could be this naive.

Megifer · Yesterday 19:54

ScoobyT · Yesterday 19:24

I feel as if this is probably missing a lot of context especially if you said there was technical issues before hand. Was that related?

There is no context that makes his comment ok.

slughater · Yesterday 20:02

totally unacceptable and worrying that this man has influence over youngsters- is this the kind of 'joke' he makes to them too?

I think maybe the whistleblower route is the one to go down, as OP has said she has seen others suffer when they have made complaints

OP I presume you trust the humourless middle aged women you were sitting with? Maybe ask if they will write a note of what happened before memory fades and rumour replaces it.

StrikeForever · Yesterday 20:11

Roulett · Yesterday 14:42

Women who say no? WTF? That’s actually unbelievable and even if it were a joke it’s unacceptable especially for someone in his position. I can’t think of an explanation where it’s ok.

This 👆 I’d complain. First to him, followed by the local Education Authority.

StrikeForever · Yesterday 20:15

Meckrel · Yesterday 18:41

It was last thing before everyone left for the summer. The people on my table weren't impressed but we're all middle aged women known for not being able to "take a joke". Most people did laugh at the time.

Maybe they are the ones who understand the difference between a joke and an outrageous insulting comment!

Meckrel · Yesterday 20:16

StrikeForever · Yesterday 20:15

Maybe they are the ones who understand the difference between a joke and an outrageous insulting comment!

Yes

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Candymouth · Yesterday 20:22

You say this school is excellent? With a head that either is open about his dislike for women that reject him sexually OR is breathtakingly inappropriate

and

the majority of staff find this funny

and the group who have been labelled “can’t take a joke” and this don’t want to cause trouble

an excellent school? Really?

Candymouth · Yesterday 20:22

Is he married do you know?

Meckrel · Yesterday 20:28

Candymouth · Yesterday 20:22

You say this school is excellent? With a head that either is open about his dislike for women that reject him sexually OR is breathtakingly inappropriate

and

the majority of staff find this funny

and the group who have been labelled “can’t take a joke” and this don’t want to cause trouble

an excellent school? Really?

Edited

Ok, I should say it's Ofsted outstanding, has a good reputation locally and achieves excellent results. Those of us in education know that doesn't always mean the school is well run, although TBF he does run a tight ship. In line with lots of good schools (and other businesses) staff are managed out quickly if they don't deliver what's required, hence not wanting to make a fuss.

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Meckrel · Yesterday 20:29

Candymouth · Yesterday 20:22

Is he married do you know?

Yes. I wondered if it was a remark about his wife wearing the trousers, but not sure why anyone at school would get that.

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Candymouth · Yesterday 20:35

Meckrel · Yesterday 20:28

Ok, I should say it's Ofsted outstanding, has a good reputation locally and achieves excellent results. Those of us in education know that doesn't always mean the school is well run, although TBF he does run a tight ship. In line with lots of good schools (and other businesses) staff are managed out quickly if they don't deliver what's required, hence not wanting to make a fuss.

I wish you could say the name because with a head like this and the majority of staff finding it funny… I’d want to keep my children well away. Especially my girls

Meckrel · Yesterday 20:38

Candymouth · Yesterday 20:35

I wish you could say the name because with a head like this and the majority of staff finding it funny… I’d want to keep my children well away. Especially my girls

Laughing and finding it funny are not necessarily the same thing.

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