Thread 53 Starmer: Insania Aestiva

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Exactly. It was never going to be long before the conspiracy theories started. But really, the police need to be left to get on with their investigations.

Shocking either way. I never liked AW but no one deserves to die that way.

I hope whoever has killed AW is brought to justice soon.
AW is the 3rd MP/previous MP murdered in the past 10 years.
Simply horrific.

I can't do links but at the time when Ann Widdecombe was accused of saying this The Mirror published an apology to her for misquoting her.

Quite. And then there's all the other unpalatable stuff. I sincerely hope her killer is caught quickly, violence against women is always unacceptable, but whitewashing the dead is not necessary or helpful. She was what she was.

Efacsen's warning was timely

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/_chat/5552800-thread-54-starmer-grev-soppelbottefjes-sommergalskap

With a nudge to Saturday's match.

The linked article was from The Independent, not the Mirror. This is not about what AW said but about what she condoned: women in labour, handcuffed in prison vans. The important thing here is the 'in labour' part. It happened, she condoned it, it is still happening and it should not be brushed under the carpet.

I felt sad when I heard she died as it's always sad when someone dies. But tempered with the fact she'd had a long life and I thought it was a natural "die of old age in your own home after a short illness". It's still sad, but it's also how most people would like to go. But now I feel really horrified by the fact she was murdered. Noone deserves that andz even though I really didn't like her politics, I don't think she was evil.

I don't think she was evil either, but she held some very unpleasant views, did some very unpleasant things and was generally not someone I feel I need to grieve for. She should have had a safe and peaceful end, not this, and I hope her killer is caught, but she isn't the loss Bonnie Tyler was.

She never advocated for it, which is why the Mirror had to issue an apology.

When you can cite the statistics on the number of pregnant women who absconded from custody (with or without their newborn infant) then my problem might go away. After all, we're all evidence based here, aren't we ?

Apparently I've unwatched this thread. Happened after I reported a post.

Of course she wasn't evil, why would you even need to say that. She loved animals and was strongly opposed to fox hunting. She may have had controversial views but so do many people.

Here you go @2dogsandabudgie

https://www.mirror.co.uk/for-the-record/ann-widdecombe--apology-correction-30566217

Can we leave it that now?

I hope she finds peace with her God.

In the meantime this is just as likely to be a burglary gone wrong - a few hours in and nothing to suggest it was a targeted incident.

Not advocating for something abhorrent is not the same as speaking out against it. Which she did not do.

Yes quite happy to now. I will leave you to it.

I get flashbacks to the Kirk murder when we got told how to feel

Yep

Maybe find out how to copy and paste a link on your device, would have saved you some time.

I do wonder if - against all historical precedents - there has been a learning from that incident, and the usual suspects have agreed not to jump in and make themselves look foolish ?????

@SerendipityJane
I suppose I'm assuming from the language used by the Home Sec but you are of course right, it could have been a burglary gone horribly wrong

Il fait nous attendons voir

The police obviously know who it is.

A white 26 year old man, apparently

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