Anyone else “awake” here?

[charlatanne]

Maybe not the place to post but thought it might be interesting to find out if there is an awake component to MN.

I’m not here for judgement or criticism, just want to find more of my own.

OP most of your clan are harmless, largely unemployed, sitting at home all day googling and “finding their truth”, so as long as I don’t end up stuck in a conversation with them, they don’t bother me.

But the anti vaxxers are harming children, and that makes me angry.

I’m totally open to discuss. But the point of my thread was to find others like me already. But equally fine to chat to others open to it too.

No that’s actually hugely related

That is spooky. My cat is also asleep on my arm so I can’t move Do you think that might be a conspiracy? 😳😂

Me! He said he was the son of God, but his Mum disputed this 😂

😂😂😂😂😂😂

Brilliant 😂😂😂

I can assure you nothing about me is unemployed, sitting at home, googling and wasting my time.
I’m looking for answers why my vaccinated friends have turbo cancers, their kids have autism, chronic fatigue, etc.
I could be TOTALLY wrong and that’s fine. Just asking. And I know lots of medically qualified people also asking those questions too, they have lost their careers for daring to ask and they are not crazy or stupid.

I don’t dare who laughs at this btw. Go ahead. I’m just asking questions. If we can’t do that, we’re fucked.

*care

Well, the medically qualified have the option of engaging in actual research into conditions and comorbidities, surely, rather than huffing and puffing on the internet. Everyone I know is fully vaccinated and absolutely fine.

Most people know this, but don't go round calling themselves "awake" because of it 🙄

Do you check the vaccination status of everyone you know?

Doesn’t mean they aren’t thinking it.

I do hope people aren’t posting in their sleep although, of course, a sleepwalker may genuinely believe they are awake despite talking gibberish.

This thread reminds me of when my then-toddler had night terrors and was speaking to me as though they were conscious and determinedly telling me I must save our cat. We do not have a cat. It was when they then told me that I had put my face on the wrong side of my head that it became clear that they most certainly were not “awake”, no matter how convinced they were that this was the case.

Get some rest OP. You may feel less confused about reality after some actual sleep.

OP it’s interesting that you encourage people to “do their research”, and suggest that everyone is entitled to their own opinions. In reality, I’ve found that conspiracy theorists are the most opinionated dogmatic people I’ve ever met.

They don’t say “I think the white lines in the sky are chemicals sprayed by the government to control the climate”. They state it as unequivocal fact, and anyone who disputes it must be sadly un enlightened.

And they’re often evangelical about it. I remember hearing a woman lecturing a poor girl at the supermarket check-out about the evils of vaccination. I think the girl had sneezed, and the woman proceeded to share “her truth” about viruses not existing etc etc.

And using the term “awake” is insulting. You claim to allow us all to have our own opinions, whilst essentially saying that if we don’t agree with you, then we’re not conscious.

Easy decision.

Evidence-based science wins the day.

Turbo what now?

I'm no expert, but I'm fairly certain the increase in autism diagnoses is due to increased understanding of the condition. Ditto CFS.

I agree. There’s no way to know if your own research is any more valid than someone else’s. Which is mainly my point.

This...

That’s what you believe. But I suspect it’s due to other factors - possibly vaccines and nutritional impacts. I’m not saying I know. Just let’s open the discussion about it.

OP,
Give some examples.

I have a relative who has similar views. I’ve always wondered who exactly is behind all of this- who is orchestrating it all? Genuinely would like to know your thoughts on this, as no one ever says.

Not to mention that part of the diagnostic criteria for autism is that it has been present since birth, as it’s a hereditary neurological condition. By definition it cannot be caused by environmental factors because then the condition doesn’t meet the diagnostic criteria to be autism. 🤦🏻‍♀️

There is a way to know. Medical trials may involve thousands of people taking a specific drug, and their outcomes being compared with thousands of similar people not taking the drug. The outcomes are then analysed by scientists who have spent years studying their subject. I would say that is more valid than someone watching YouTube films and reading Reddit.

But please tell us why you use the term “awake” to describe your state of mind, implying that those of us who disagree with you are not awake? Why are your beliefs a reflection of awareness, and my beliefs not aware?

Well, on that you are objectively wrong because that’s impossible per my post above. Never mind, eh?