Anyone else “awake” here?

[charlatanne]

Maybe not the place to post but thought it might be interesting to find out if there is an awake component to MN.

I’m not here for judgement or criticism, just want to find more of my own.

Get over yourself. Awake. What a nauseating and derivative term.

You sound like my 78 year old algorithm assaulted father who cannot comprehend the digital echo chamber that he lives in.

Some questions for you to look into:

• what is ableism? I'd recommend seeing what disabled people say about this, especially those with autism

• why do you see 'disabled' as a bad thing and 'disabled' as incompatible with 'intelligent? Look into the social model of disability and, again, see what disabled people are saying on this

Always good to be questioning your terminology and assumptions.

More questions for you to consider:

• why was this the term chosen?

• what are the implications of using 'awake? (Hint, lots of people have indicated on this thread)

• if you truly don't consider yourself superior, that all opinions and questions are valid, should you be using this term? What other terms could you use instead that more properly reflect your personal opinions, rather than just using the term you've been told to use

• what is behind the awake trend? Does anyone stand to gain from it?

Perhaps one should focus on learning a little about science, logic, maths and any medical conditions or other subjects upon which one wishes to pontificate on a public forum, rather than being so ambitious as to believe an embarrassing exposition of ignorance will somehow inspire others to anything other than laughter and ridicule.

DS with fever so I've been awake since 4am! 😢

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Agree with this. What does it matter if some people think it’s flat? They aren’t hurting anyone.

I'd love to know what doing your own research on vaccines means.

They are hurting people. They are spreading misinformation which is dangerous to us all and can stop us as a society making well informed decisions.

Hilarious. Prejudice masquerading as free thinking.

Hi OP
I think I’m totally normal and most people agree with me so I’m not sure if I’m awake, asleep or batshit can you confirm?
I believe:

In ghosts

In aliens

In any ‘other worldly’ creatures/beings that have ever been discussed in fairytales, science fiction, myths, legends such as unicorns, pixies, fairies etc. They exist on other plains and we are not supposed to see them. I can explain this if you’d like further information.

That there are several planes to our existence, some are good, some are bad.

That there is a highly powerful over world and underworld that most of us have no idea about. I’m not sure what it involves but I think that the Epstein/Saville stuff is just the surface of this. It also involves trafficking of people, drugs, animals, minerals, jewels and other stuff.

That the royal family are not evil. I like them on the whole & of they were abolished I’d be sad but I’d get over it.

In past/future lives

In God

In life after death

In soul mates, but we all have several, not just one and not just romantic ones.

That men cannot become women I’m a proud and out terf!

In some vaccinations but others (chicken pox) for example are money making and pointless. But I recognise that imight think differently if I’d had a child who died from Chickenpox.

That the body can vaccinate itself better than science but for some diseases (small pox for eg) vaccinations are good.

In most of the teachings of Christ even though I do not like the church as it’s misogynistic and outdated. I actually pick and choose bits from all religions to make my own, I obviously can’t record my own religion so I put Christian on forms. Most Christian’s would probably say I’m not a Christian.

That there is a rise in the recognition of autism/adhd style neurodivergence. I do not believe it’s new but it is now exacerbated by a whole host modern world things not limited to but possibly including upf’s, sharp focused screens (not the screens themselves but the 4k vision style), parenting techniques changing (please note -NOT bad parenting but parenting definitely changed in the 80’s), schools not being fit for purpose and a whole load of other aspects.

That schools are not fit for modern day and they need a massive overhaul to benefit our children.

I’m sure there’s other stuff but that was actually quite cathartic writing it all down!!

So am I batshit or normal!! 😂

PS Sorry for the long post but once I started writing I didn’t want to stop!! 😂

It’s not about believing everything the government tells you or everything the media tells you. It’s about common sense. Vaccines have been around for hundreds of years and have eradicated diseases that used to kill us. We aren’t qualified to conduct our own research so we have no choice but to trust the millions of scientists who have studied for years and years.
There is never any explanation from conspiracy theorists about how a conspiracy could go on for so long and involve so many people ? What would the point of the conspiracy be? Why would the government or “they” want to spy on us? Make us ill? Whatever else? Don’t you think there are easier ways to do that? Less people means less money for “them”. So does less healthy people.

Can you answer any of those questions?

That questions were to OP really or anyone who is a conspiracy theorist.

Also. You have to look at the origins of some of these theories and there is often a right wing agenda. Think about who might benefit from your belief in their theory.

@Tomcatdog Sounds like you and I would get on quite well. (Re; your post at 7.47am.) I am pretty much on board with (and agree with) much of what you are saying. Are we batshit or 'normal?' Are we awake? Are we 'asleep?' Maybe all of the above! 😆

Re your autism point - it is a neuro developmental condition that people are born with.

I have posted on this thread about it already but there is a rise in diagnosis partly because the effect in women and girls is finally being recognised as we mask very effectively and instead struggle internally.

People who are ‘awake’ are generally incredibly ignorant on ND issues unfortunately.

And I don’t know anyone who truly believes everything the government and media tell them - most people are capable of critical thinking.

Painting everyone who isn’t ‘awake’ as unthinking zombies isn’t the best way to advance your opinions

^ This.

I haven't looked into any of the pseudoscience these people spout because I don't need to. Even without the science, none of it makes any logical sense.

I'm aware of the economic, financial and corporate manipulations and where they're leading. This is what worries me the most, along with the increasing degradation of societies.

Well, I'm not an anti vaxxer. So, no.

But

I don't always trust the science because its easily manipulated and biased. Funded research is rarely unbiased. The funding body usually has skin in the game and so, when your continued funding and wages are dependent on finding a result that is favourable to the funding body, you will.

Something feeling or sounding like 'common sense' isn't automatic proof that it is correct, unbiased or in our best interests. Narratives are controlled because, when narratives are controlled, people can be controlled and, when people are controlled, those doing the controlling benefit. On a very simple level, Kellog's promoted the idea that breakfast is the most important meal of the day. It wasn't even research based - it was a marketing campaign. Yet it has been adopted and accepted as 'common sense' over the decades because people either forgot or don't know where it originated.

So, yes, these ideas can go on for decades and involve many people. Entire societies, counties can become complicit if those challenging the status quo are silenced and ridiculed.

That doesn't mean I'm a conspiracy theorist because I'm.not. but, unlike you, I don't think "we have no choice but to accept" what we are told.

It might not make effect any change at all but I always think it's a mistake to blindly accept what authority tells us because there have also been many examples over the years where what is considered 'common sense' has shifted hugely.

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my theoey is that it has originated from Russia/China/Iran/N Korea and any other adversaries of the West/Democracy in order to destabilize and cause chaos and ultimately collapse. The rise of populism/far right is part if it and a result of it. It is to turn us against each other and make us believe we are freedom fighters in our own right when in fact we are being even more controlled by a greater and more nefarious force. I believe corporations are also highly involved and intertwined as ultimately it us about power, control and money.

So you're wrong

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I have no problem with people believing things that dont hurt others. Or that are extra cautious and want to explore things further. But when it impacts on others then no that's not right