Another person murdered by ICE

[Mericanilondon]

I’m in tears and shock at the brutality happening in broad daylight in the US. I’m a US citizen, emigrated to the UK for family reasons 12 years ago (now dual citizen), and I am just in disbelief at what’s happening. I was sick when I learned of Trump’s first election and gravely disappointed by the second one. But the sheer brutality of what’s happening in MN right now has really thrown me. I have friends and family there, in Chicago (where ICE raids were occurring in the autumn), in NY, and in California. I’m hearing that even worse things are happening in the Deep South but fewer observers and press to report on it. Posting here because I feel so lost.

CNN? Why would we watch that.

why are you sticking up for a rapist, child abuser?

They really don’t. The word “illegal” carries all the mediaeval connotations of the word “outlaw”. They aren’t human and they aren’t covered by the law, so they are fair game for extrajudicial killing and every other flavour of brutality. It would be fascinating if it weren’t so utterly abhorrent.

He had a permit to carry, watch the video footage and tell us where and when he was brandishing it.

What he was seen holding was a camera.

What the hell are you talking about? 🤣 you need to spend less time online.

Ah here we go misdirection 101 on your first sentence.
Are you American because if not , you seem to be trying to dictate what another country does in regard to who it allows into its country.
And on that point people from wars are ongoing you say, or economic migrants, and drug dealers, murderers and rapists.

He wasn't.

The ICE terrorists pushed a woman down, he went to help her and got pepper sprayed, then he gets pulled of the woman and wrestled to the ground by 7 ICE terrorists, once on the ground he gets assaulted and then shot several times.

I'm sure there will be statements coming out to defend these power hungry murderers shooting a nurse trying to help a woman who was assaulted, but I would rather believe my own eyes.

Why? Trump makes shit up all the time and then gets others to make shit up too. Karoline Leavitt and the Greenland/Iceland debacle being a very recent obvious example.

Why on earth would it surprise you when it literally happens every single day.

You would think the age of camera phones and social media would be their worst nightmare but it seems these people will just believe whatever he says even when the evidence is irrefutable.

ICE sounds like a great Org to work for if you wanna act upon some dark, forbidden thoughts and curiosities. The person(s) who chose to shoot the gun, when the man was already overpowered, knew what they were doing, and that they will likely get away with it.

Anyone who agrees with their methods deserves no law protections anywhere, ever. Even jungle justice is more civil!

I mean, unless these Americans posting shite are 100% Native American, then they have ancestors who were immigrants! (Or invaders, depending on how far back their family history goes.)

Why do they tell blatant lies when they know that there are dozens of high definition cameras filming from different angles?

I don’t understand what the purpose of that is?

I’m guessing that it’s in some way connected to Goebbels Big Lie technique, but in the 1930s it came down to choosing between two versions without the means to verify.

I feel that I’m failing to grasp something obvious in the psychology of this.

I can see how words like “truth” and “fact” have been appropriated and are used to mean something quite different than the common understanding.

But still this blatant insistence on claiming one thing happened when the world can see with their own eyes it didn’t? It makes no sense.

Even if a small number of people are genuinely confused into believing what they’re told despite what they can see, how does it work for the majority?

Is it that it’s so blatant, it shifts our tolerance, or something?

Why have you linked to a news article that doesn’t support anything you are saying?

Are you hoping people just won’t bother to read it and will assume it supports your statement?

So how do you describe being shot in the head 3 times as she drove away from the ICE person who then called her a "fucking bitch" after he'd killed her? I guess you also believe the Trump nonsense about him being run over and having to go to hospital

Nobody is justifying the hypocrisy though.
There's been threads on what's happening in other places too.
People can be equally horrified by both.
When it comes to America though, people are maybe rightly or wrongly commenting on that more.
As you don't expect this kind of dictatorship from America.

I think it’s because a lot of people won’t even bother to look. They will just repeat the lies.

"Why do they tell blatant lies when they know that there are dozens of high definition cameras filming from different angles?"

I guess that's why they immediately acted like a pack of rats and tried wrestling cameras out of people's hands. They are so unbelievably stupid, it's beyond fiction at this point.

What the bloody hell are you on about??

Unless they photoshop that in, he really most definitely wasn't 😂

Well, I wish you would have posted this as Politics, instead of the general Chat, and maybe included a link.
To the best of my knowledge, nothing yet is really known about this, so I've refrained from posting about it. Of course the South has always been brutal, but what's finally, finally catching people's attention is that it's including middle-class white people.

It is funny though, why don't we expect it from them? They voted in a known felon, child rapist, womaniser, who also failed at running his own business. Over a qualified woman.

I feel for the people who are stuck there, but am surprised more haven't emigrated since Trump got in. Women are leaving for other countries the fastest, but anyone can see where this has been going for the last year at least. I am surprised at the surprise really.

I was appalled to read about the 5 year old boy removed from his pre-school class by ICE agents, taken to his home and then he and his father were removed to Mexico. A 5 year old child ffs! if you can countenance that then you have no soul.

I know!!! I don’t understand it

i just saw a photo of the guy before he was killed and he is holding a phone!

the ICE people have issued a picture of the gun he was ‘carrying’ doesn’t look anything like a sodding phone

If you believe whatever you read, then I have a bridge to sell you.

Disgusting disgraceful murder. Horrible.

I don't want to write anything else but for all of the minimisers and cheerleaders for fascism dragging their disgusting selves onto these boards, my husband's company is US based. His bosses are decent family people who have voted Republican and now carry whistles around their neighbourhood in case they see ICE coming for a two year old.

This murder could be any of them. It could be any decent human being in the presence of evil. That's what you have done to your American friends and neighbours, and I hope you believe in hell so that you know where you're going for it.