Another person murdered by ICE

[Mericanilondon]

I’m in tears and shock at the brutality happening in broad daylight in the US. I’m a US citizen, emigrated to the UK for family reasons 12 years ago (now dual citizen), and I am just in disbelief at what’s happening. I was sick when I learned of Trump’s first election and gravely disappointed by the second one. But the sheer brutality of what’s happening in MN right now has really thrown me. I have friends and family there, in Chicago (where ICE raids were occurring in the autumn), in NY, and in California. I’m hearing that even worse things are happening in the Deep South but fewer observers and press to report on it. Posting here because I feel so lost.

I can’t even fathom it. I don’t watch or hear the news and don’t have social media because I end up getting so distressed about all these horrors so I didnt know about this latest news until this post .
it’s so incomprehensible, I don’t understand how anyone can be doing this and endorsing it, I know I’m preaching to the converted but it’s so heinous and shocking I almost dont know how to process it,
I feel the same about all these horrors atrocities in our world but I think when it’s the US who traditionally we’ve always fallen in line with eventually it terrifies me to think that we could be turning that way ourselves next

Give them time and when they do I am sure you will be defending them

The right to protest is enshrined within the US constitution whereas what ICE is doing might turn out to be illegal. Also, the man killed was not waving a gun around. Watch the video. Stop making stuff up.

I never, ever want to visit America.
I try to block out all news of the dangerous place.

What is frightening, apart from the murder of a citizen in the street. Is the amount of people who blindly support Trump and consider anyone who doesn’t a left wing liberal nut job. The sheer lack of critical thinking and independent thought from these people is terrifying.

This is a cold blooded execution. Can't avoid seeing the video from both angles on social media. No way is America fit to host the Olympics and the World Cup.

I've wanted to visit America for as long as I can remember, especially New York. Not so much now though since Trump's in charge.
I'll give it a miss whilst he's there, so many more amazing places/countries to visit.

The cult needs feeding. Not only will they buy it , but it perpetuates the myth that they are being persecuted and manipulated (oh the irony) and feeds their paranoia . They’re of course the special ones for”seeing” right through it.

Then you have the apathetic middle , that might or might not actually dig in (more often not) and just rely on the soundbites , headlines, carefully curated pictures and “facts”. Some articles will post the misinformation first, then a rebuttal from another source somewhere at the bottom as arse covering. Even if people get to the end, an idea has already been planted, and many don’t make it until the end.

Then you have the people that do see it. And they are outraged and horrified at the truth. They are angry and frustrated. They are fed up with being gaslit. Those feelings spill online quite emotionally or aggressively (understandably so) , which is then used to further the “persecution, manipulation, paranoia “ agenda. Look , look, they hate you! The cult gets fed.

Round and round it goes.

I’m not sure what I can say or do about Iran that isn’t effectively just handwringing. Much like contemplating Sudan or Afghanistan. I can write to my MP, I suppose.

Whereas every day I open up threads like this one where posters blithely repeat lies and make no-nonsense comments about supporting ICE - and I can at least challenge their bollocks and hope just slightly that pointing out the flaws in logic and total lack of perspective might be read by someone willing to reconsider their views. There is a sense that the American people could still stop the slide into authoritarianism their country is experiencing if they united - something I sadly do not believe it is so easy for Iran - but that choice is being rejected.

Try the scroll button. The article goes through individual cases. The “supporting terrorism” turned out to be “attending non-violent protests on campus” (which would be a constitutionally protected activity for a US citizen), writing a college newspaper column critical of Israel, and most egregiously, in the case of the Indian professor, being married to a US citizen who worked for Al Jazeera and who had done pieces critical of Trump, who obviously couldn’t be got at herself as a citizen so they went after her spouse instead. Freedom of the press obviously not important.

Welcome to Mumsnet Donald, guess you are taking a break from Truth Social. Get that caps lock on and go for it!

He wasn't an illegal immigrant and he was helping a woman who had been shoved over and had half a can of pepper spray deployed into her face.

Next excuse? Don't be a human? Don't exist? Hide in your property and don't go outside?

Could you point to me anywhere in US law, that it states being an illegal immigrant is a crime that carries the death penality?

Ditto - aiding/assisting an illegal immigrant carrying the death penalty?

Ditto - where you can be judge, jury and executioner to carry out that death penalty without due process?

I'll wait.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”

I didn't.

Bet she is chosing her hat as we speak. She will be loving this. I once spent three months in the States, I have such happy memories of that time. I wouldn't set foot in the place now even if you paid me. So sad to see how far and how fast it has fallen.

They disarmed him. He was not a threat. Then they shot him .video here.
https://x.com/RoguePOTUSStaff/status/2015137626609668126?s=20

She was murdered brutally by a psychopath.

The guy was a nurse….

Not far off right now

i find it interesting (that may be too strong a word) that a lot of posters who agree with the actions of ICE are only posting the once

they seem completely unable to provide evidence or back up their first posts

ICE agents have apparently been ordered to get rough. This was on "The Rest is Politics US", where one of the presenters said an ICE agent had informed him of that. The ICE agent was scared that he would lose his job if he didn't get rough with people. Trump wants to create civil unrest so he has a pretext to bring in the military.

We clearly haven’t seen the same video 😵‍💫

Fascism “forcible suppression of opposition”.
Bit like you then on this thread, one might say wanting an echo chamber or being fascist.

Bit like you then on this thread, one might say wanting an echo chamber or being fascist

nah

reckon shes just not keen on the lies

Was that the Guardian article that talked about family facilities (sounds cosy) where the lights never go out and children are kept inside that you read? The one that talked about a two-year-old being detained? Families that followed the right processes only to find those processes change and they are targeted by ICE?

Well, worry not. A poster upthread has already responded to say the five-year-old was an illegal immigrant.

Fair game then.