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Labour isn't working - Thread 10

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TheNuthatch · 24/09/2025 11:33

A chat thread for those who don't like this Labour government.

The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.

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GabrielsOboe · 26/09/2025 05:13

Sir Keir Starmer’s chief of staff could face a police investigation over his failure to declare £739,000 of political donations after he was accused of a “deliberate attempt to conceal” the money.

Morgan McSweeney “lied” to the Electoral Commission about why the donations had not been registered, his enemies allege, and Sir Keir then failed to tell Parliament he had benefited from the donations during his leadership campaign.
The donations were made to the think tank Labour Together, which at the time was headed by Mr McSweeney, and which helped propel Sir Keir to the Labour leadership as part of a plan to purge the party of hard-Left MPs.

Labour Together was fined £14,250 by the Electoral Commission in 2021 over its failure to register the payments.
However, leaked emails have since brought to light fresh evidence that this was not merely an oversight but, it is alleged, a deliberate decision to hide the payments from public scrutiny.

DT

Upstartled · 26/09/2025 06:14

Starmer writing in the Telegraph today doing damage limitation. Again.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3f3916ab00f4301b

Haven't had chance to much more than glance at it yet but thought I'd drop a share token here, if anyone's interested.

The Left ignored immigration fears for too long. It’s time to give communities back control

Only a plan for patriotic national renewal led by Labour will counter the rise of the populist Right

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3f3916ab00f4301b

Upstartled · 26/09/2025 06:36

So the tldr version of the above is: Sorry, sorry, I.D. cards, sorry, have some money. The comments suggest his message isn't very reliable 🤷🏼‍♀️

Meanwhile:

YouGov MRP poll

Reform 311 seats
Labour 144 seats
LibDems 78
Conservatives 45
SNP 37

https://share.google/KsT5JtbrzGxBA8QkW

Reform in 15 seats striking distance of an overall majority on this one.

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strawberrybubblegum · 26/09/2025 06:36

Upstartled · 26/09/2025 06:14

Starmer writing in the Telegraph today doing damage limitation. Again.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3f3916ab00f4301b

Haven't had chance to much more than glance at it yet but thought I'd drop a share token here, if anyone's interested.

I am utterly repulsed by Starmer's attempt to jump on the 'patriotism' bandwagon, and try to coopt it for his own benefit.

They. Just. Don't. Get it.

I can almost hear the confused discussion at a focus group where they're trying to understand the anger being displayed.

"So they say it's about being patriotic? Well we can give them flags. Lots of flags. Talk about how much of a patriot you are Kier - that works for Trump. The thickos there go nuts for flags. Maybe our thickos will go for that too?

We need to redirect that patriotism though. Good citizenship is about being Liberal and Generous. In exactly the way we say, obviously. Let's drip feed that lesson in, remind them to Do Better. They must naturally be awed at our superiority, so if we shame them they'll shut up.

And they say we're not listening to what's important to them? We know what's best for them, that's far better than giving them what they think they want! They're thickos, and obviously wrong.

Oh, OK - we probably do need to give them something. Let's see, what's important to the yobbos? All they care about is drinking and violence. Pubs! They want better pubs! And youth clubs where their children can drink underage, and they don't need to parent them! Fine... let's make a bribery fund and call it regeneration. They can fix up their pubs, leaving us to get on with The Important Stuff which we know best about."

GabrielsOboe · 26/09/2025 06:53

Upstartled · 26/09/2025 06:14

Starmer writing in the Telegraph today doing damage limitation. Again.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3f3916ab00f4301b

Haven't had chance to much more than glance at it yet but thought I'd drop a share token here, if anyone's interested.

Thanks - read it.

The usual gaslighting, deflection, and faux penitence from Starmer.

EasternStandard · 26/09/2025 06:59

Upstartled · 26/09/2025 06:14

Starmer writing in the Telegraph today doing damage limitation. Again.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3f3916ab00f4301b

Haven't had chance to much more than glance at it yet but thought I'd drop a share token here, if anyone's interested.

I get alerts and whenever Starmer does some lame attempt I just think bugger off what are you trying to sell me now.

He’s such a snivelling idiot and I hope it all backfires.

EasternStandard · 26/09/2025 07:01

strawberrybubblegum · 26/09/2025 06:36

I am utterly repulsed by Starmer's attempt to jump on the 'patriotism' bandwagon, and try to coopt it for his own benefit.

They. Just. Don't. Get it.

I can almost hear the confused discussion at a focus group where they're trying to understand the anger being displayed.

"So they say it's about being patriotic? Well we can give them flags. Lots of flags. Talk about how much of a patriot you are Kier - that works for Trump. The thickos there go nuts for flags. Maybe our thickos will go for that too?

We need to redirect that patriotism though. Good citizenship is about being Liberal and Generous. In exactly the way we say, obviously. Let's drip feed that lesson in, remind them to Do Better. They must naturally be awed at our superiority, so if we shame them they'll shut up.

And they say we're not listening to what's important to them? We know what's best for them, that's far better than giving them what they think they want! They're thickos, and obviously wrong.

Oh, OK - we probably do need to give them something. Let's see, what's important to the yobbos? All they care about is drinking and violence. Pubs! They want better pubs! And youth clubs where their children can drink underage, and they don't need to parent them! Fine... let's make a bribery fund and call it regeneration. They can fix up their pubs, leaving us to get on with The Important Stuff which we know best about."

Thanks for summarising. I can’t read his shite. Total nonsense from them.

strawberrybubblegum · 26/09/2025 07:08

The funniest bit was Having Labour is freer than the Conservatives to call out the toxic division that is being promulgated by the populist Right.

Coming from Labour?! The masters and originators of populist division and hatred. Does he actually believe his own drivel?!

upseedaisee · 26/09/2025 07:10

twistyizzy · 25/09/2025 19:20

Shame he isn't in Labour party any more, a nice bit of division would be perfect going into conference

I'mhoping Your Party will do for Labour in the next election, what Reform did for the Conservatives last time. The left vote will be fractured.

upseedaisee · 26/09/2025 07:27

GabrielsOboe · 25/09/2025 20:19

Here’s a thought - why not simply give digital ID’s to immigrants, and leave the rest of us alone.

Secondly, given the massive data breach with the Afghans as one recent example, why not simply send our raw data to Beijing now? Save the time and money….

I know I'm late to the party, but I think you've hit the nail on the head. After the debacle of Afghans having their data released, can we really trust this government with ours? Unless digital ID becomes mandatory, it will be a hard no from me.
What's next, deciding who can access the NHS and when?

Show your card when you pay for shopping?

Show your card when you want to access your bank?

And how long will it be before cash disappears once they have that sort of control?

twistyizzy · 26/09/2025 07:28

upseedaisee · 26/09/2025 07:10

I'mhoping Your Party will do for Labour in the next election, what Reform did for the Conservatives last time. The left vote will be fractured.

I'm not confident that they will hold together for that long. However the Greens and Lib dems could take votes away from Labour

twistyizzy · 26/09/2025 07:29

Rolvenden & Tenterden West (Ashford) Council By-Election Result:

🌍 GRN: 36.5% (-16.9)
➡️ RFM: 31.6% (New)
🌳 CON: 27.9% (-10.3)
🔶 LDM: 2.6% (New)
🌹 LAB: 1.4% (-7.0)

twistyizzy · 26/09/2025 07:30

Woodhouse Park (Manchester) Council By-Election Result:

🌍 GRN: 43.8% (-15.4)
➡️ RFM: 29.5% (New)
🌹 LAB: 20.5% (-12.9)
🌳 CON: 3.8% (-1.1)
🔶 LDM: 2.5% (-0.2)

Green HOLD.
Changes w/ 2024.

upseedaisee · 26/09/2025 07:31

GabrielsOboe · 25/09/2025 20:54

Agree.

Starmer is a monumentally stupid man, masquerading as a clever one, and doubtless believes that most of us cannot see through his latest ruse (read Baldrick-style cunning plan).

Well, we see this one coming a mile away.

That's who he reminds me of.. Baldrick🤣🤣🤣

twistyizzy · 26/09/2025 07:32

So in both of these areas Greens have taken Labour votes but for traditional left areas interesting that Reform are now 2nd with a wide margin above Labour

upseedaisee · 26/09/2025 07:40

Upstartled · 26/09/2025 06:14

Starmer writing in the Telegraph today doing damage limitation. Again.

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/3f3916ab00f4301b

Haven't had chance to much more than glance at it yet but thought I'd drop a share token here, if anyone's interested.

This chap has hit the nail on the head.

"People coming here illegally already ignore our laws with contempt and seeming impunity. Are ID cards going to magically change that? I think not. Are ID cards going to give this totalitarian leaning Government a tighter grip on our indigenous population? Oh yes. Toe the line - or access to Government services will be withdrawn. Remainers and the hard left have been advocating this for political opponents for years."

This is my worry.

JustStopItNorasaurus · 26/09/2025 08:02

Starmer says 'Here's an idea! When we can't possibly fund any of our existing services let's spaff billions up the wall on ID cards. The British people historically have been opposed to this, but it's all okay. We will lie about their effectiveness, their cost and the reason why we are doing it. Now there's a PLAN!!!!'

Lutonsgirl · 26/09/2025 08:07

upseedaisee · 26/09/2025 08:03

If anyone is interested.

Do not introduce Digital ID cards - Petitions

I've signed

Thank you. Signed....over 500,000 already

upseedaisee · 26/09/2025 08:09

Conservative Party have come out against Digital ID cards.

twistyizzy · 26/09/2025 08:10

upseedaisee · 26/09/2025 08:09

Conservative Party have come out against Digital ID cards.

At last

twistyizzy · 26/09/2025 08:22

Thetford Castle (Breckland) Council By-Election Result:

➡️ RFM: 47.3% (New)
🌹 LAB: 26.7% (-22.7)
🌳 CON: 15.1% (-18.6)
🔶 LDM: 10.9% (New)

No Ind (-16.9) as previous.

Reform GAIN from Labour.
Changes w/ 2023.

TheNuthatch · 26/09/2025 08:28

Morning all. Thanks for the share token @Upstartled
Gosh that MRP polling 😱. We still have 4 years of Labour making the worst decisions they can think of. There are some brilliant graphs and charts on Sky news illustrating the swing. I'll screenshot some later when I've got more time.

The only polling I have seen on ID cards as yet is by the Tony Blair institute. Not exactly non biased. Concerning that Starmer has promised to make this a reality before the end of this parliament.

Will have a look for what the tories have said this morning @upseedaisee. I was not happy with Kemi B yesterday so I hope she has redeemed herself.

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DancingFerret · 26/09/2025 08:30

This couldn't have happened at a worst time for Starmer's conference speech today. Everyone protesting against ID cards will use it as a real-life example of the threat to privacy (and worse).