Dawn French

[Violetparis]

Anyone else appalled and shocked at Dawn French's social media video mocking the reaction to the terror attack in Israel on Oct 6th. What on earth was she thinking ? She comes across as horrible and lacking in any empathy. I feel sorry for the innocent people on both sides of this war, in Palestine and in Israel.

I think pp was talking about Gazans who tried to stand up to Hamas, not about Israeli civilians.
Also, what exactly are you talking about here:

So yes I’m sure many of them did feel sad about hearing of the deaths of innocent Israeli civilians, but they’ve had tens of thousands of their own dead to bury and mourn.

The deaths of Israeli civilians - are you referring to the people killed on October 7th? Why are you saying Palestinians had tens of thousands of their own dead to mourn when that happened?

Yes. Though I'm maybe not surprised that this person is unaware of that happening; judging by their previous comments I suspect it's not the sort of thing to be covered by the type of news outlets they're frequenting...

What is the end goal for Hamas?

It’s this that I can’t square with anyone who posts that flag on their bios.

You post that flag so what do you expect to happen if Palestine is “freed”?

I’ve met her in a professional capacity and was very unimpressed. This doesn’t surprise me.

Ooops. You might want to delete this! It makes you look like you support a terror organisation. And it makes it seem that you know what you’re talking about…. Which you really really don’t. Embarrassing..

They want to get rid of all the Jews in Israel and give it to the Palestinians. Who really don’t intend to let any Jews stay there, like in Gaza. What other State/Country in the world can you think of that is now judenrein? It’s happened and anyone who shouts From the river to the sea! And Free Palestine is saying that they want a one state solution. One that doesn’t include Jews in it. And in case that’s not clear… it would be possible for Israel and Palestine to be one country. Everyone living where they want with full citizenship. There are 2m Arabs/Palestinians living in Israel with full citizenship and fully part of a blended society, with most of them coexisting. But that’s not what the Gazans want. They want the whole land from the Jordan river to the Mediterranean Sea. Just them. Without the Jews.

Do people who support Palestine know this though?
Do they know they’re literally calling for a holocaust?

Maybe they do. I don’t know. That’s what’s so confusing for Jews and Israelis who witness all this.

They all know it. That's why they support Palestine. It's the acceptable form of antisemitism. Anti-Israel but not Anti-Jew.

No. They think hamas did a bad thing so Israel is starving babies. That's it, the level of understanding from FreePalestine cheerleaders.

It’s the whole Narcissistic projection and gaslighting that is the cherry on top: calling us the genocide supporters.

Yes. If a Palestinian sells land to a Jewish person they can be executed.

I realise the discussion has moved on but I noticed that this has been reported on BBC online. Lots of whopping and cheering and "you go girl!" type rhetoric. Regardless of where you stand on the current conflict, surely most sane people don't think it's good optics to sneer at a pogrom and the ensuing aftermath. These people all inhabit a strange echo chamber.

Awful post from an awful woman. Repulsive.

I'm genuinely shocked by this ridiculous wibbling about such a long-term and brutal situation from a woman I hoped had a bit more about her.

Idk if this is a result of what a pp called a 'middle-class lefty bubble', although that's a fair description of where many 'creatives' I met in my job (I'm not one) live, or whether DF is just a bit thick.

I've always loved French & Saunders but after reading DF's autobiography I realised JS is very much the writing talent. I hope she stays silent.

I'm tired of entertainers, sports personalities and media luvvies pronouncing via social meeja on complex, serious situations like five-year-olds guessing where babies come from.

Interesting, I posted upthread I met her (once through work) and was very disappointed in how she treated people.

She definitely thought a lot of herself, too.

I do feel like some people just throw around sound bites (like “it didn’t start on October 7th”), but otherwise have only a hazy idea of what’s going on.
Like someone said upthread, sometimes it’s okay to be on the fence. It’s a very complex conflict, and one can acknowledge the suffering of innocent people without taking sides or parroting propaganda.

not by the Jewish person…

The female version of Linekar. Someone so far up their arse they think being a half decent actress/sports commentator makes their opinion relevant to the masses. It doesn’t. Just makes them look like twats. Hamas started something in October 2023 with no end goal. Kidnapping, murdering, torturing, raping innocent people - what was that ever going to achieve? Did they think they’d gain the world’s sympathy? Did they think it would give them leverage with the Israelis in getting back land? Hamas treat the people they claim to represent, the Palestinians, like dirt. Use them as human shields. Intercept aid and take it for themselves, and whatever’s left over they sell to the starving Palestinians at over inflated prices. They execute their own people for small misdemeanours. All this - for what??

In WW2, cities were bombed flat and civilians killed. It's horrible, but it's what happens in war. And, Hamas, you don't start a war and then complain when you start to lose.

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It was a nasty and low thing to say.

My experience has been different.

I have seen people really struggle to voice their conflicting feelings the actions of the Israeli Government and Defence force because they fear even asking a questions would get them accused of antisemitism, even when it is clear they are asking about national policy.

It has been completely acceptable to villainise other groups of people because of the actions of an extremists who claim to represent a group of people- ask any Muslim after 9/11 and 7/7.

It is a strong take about “the world waiting for the chance to be open about their hatred for Jewish people”. I would hazard a guess that most non-Jewish people don’t think about Jewish people that often.

It is the same type of people who are behaving aggressively from both sides that give the impression of hate, but actually they are unhinged idiots and their actions and behaviour is not reflective and of the wider population. They are usually the loudest though so I can see how groups that they are targeting get that impression.

What DF said was actually fine- free speech and all that- but the way she said it was poorly thought out. One of the problems with SM is that a lot of celebrities are quite impulsive people and need to “be heard” because their job gives them the impression that they are someone worth listening too.

'What DF said was actually fine- free speech and all that- but the way she said it was poorly thought out'
None of what she said was 'fine'. From the silly voice, the silly face and the actual content. Who says 'NO' repeatedly as if they are telling a small child off?

Yes, I've heard this too from several sources. She clung on tightly to Jennifer Saunders's coat tails.

Still, now she has shown her arse for all thinking people to see.

To the unthinking, well...who cares. They just sing the tune they've been told to sing and until another bandwagon-endorsed by their lords and masters- come along, they will keep on singing it.