Thread 51 Sunak: A William Hill to die on

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10 days to go

Really

the appalling hateful comments are ones I have heard about my dad and my family for years over and over again

and I do not expect it to be explained in any way at all by right or left it’s never justified it’s never ok because….

@HRTQueen what you're doing is zero sum thinking. Life is infinitely more complicated than that, which is why the two things I listed above can both be true - and are.

Just to be clear: Racist/hate speech is always wrong.

But so is creating fertile ground for it to thrive.

Wow - Sunak obfuscated multiple times in that Q&A. And the odd downright lie.

Nothing original, just the same script

In fairness to Sunak he wont have actually answered any of those questions - a SpAd will have typed out from the approved script. Face to face interview with Justine would have been an improvement.

Who’d inflict that on her? What’s she done to deserve that?

Read posts further up

the explaining away is staggering

but continue this happens all the time …

Isreal/anti semitism
Tory MP in this case PM / well the party
Anti Semitism in the Labour Party well Israel and they control the banks
Black MP passionate about politics - chip on shoulder/angry

It should alway always be called thankfully Starmer has done so

https://x.com/Survation/status/1806742442429088203

Penultimate MRP Update.

Labour on Course to Win 470 Seats and Become the Largest Party in Scotland.

Probabilistic seat count:
LAB 470
CON 85
LD 56
SNP 12
RFM 4
PC 3
GRN 2

23,364 interviews conducted online and on the telephone Fwk 15th - 27th June

"It should alway always be called thankfully Starmer has done so"

What does that mean?

Interesting...
Ds thinks more like 65 for the tories, but he's a young, hopeful lad 😁
Less than 100 is pretty significant though...

I think HRTQueen is saying that Starmer has called it out.

So...hang on...this poll was conducted before the reported racist bnp/reform debacle?

Yes I took it as that.

But Sunak hasn't except when it affected him directly.

Personally I think both Sunak and Starmer should go much further and call Reform a racist party. The abuse levelled at Sunak - and others - won't be a one off.

It's clear the HRT has their own agenda and is refusing to engage, and only wants to push division (irony). It's been spelled out, but they don't want to acknowledge anything that doesn't tally with the message they "want" to put out...

Yes the point I was making was that racism has to always be called out

not when I agree or don’t agree with someone’s politics (RS I don’t)

It was a remark that should not be given any further comment than that is a vile hateful thing to say it’s not acceptable

but there has been all sorts of reasoning why it has been said 🙄 there is none the comment was racist and if Starmer was brown and PM it would be said about him to

Push division

oh please 🙄

Indeed so, the provocation appears to be it's own reward. Farage is on QT audience questions on bbc1 in ten minutes. I'm hoping the audience, Birmingham, put him straight on a few things. The co leader of the Greens has put up a reasonable show, hasn't shouted or lost his temper or talked over Fiona. Must be something wrong with him.

It was a remark that should not be given any further comment than that is a vile hateful thing to say it’s not acceptable

It is a perfectly valid social and political point to state that a change of culture that has made open racist speech acceptable has its roots, and that there are people who are responsible for those roots having taken hold. That is ALSO calling out racism.

Reasoning?

When an environment exists where it's acceptable to other people, to promote division etc, don't be surprised when racism happens.

He's promoted division. He's been in a party that thrives on it and he doesn't give a shit about how other people are affected.

Yes the point I was making was that racism has to always be called out

not when I agree or don’t agree with someone’s politics (RS I don’t)

Which is exactly what everyone did. They called it out as racism and said it was unacceptable.

However, it doesn't mean that pointing out hypocrisy is unacceptable. To suggest that is, frankly, stupid, and obviously to an agenda.

We see you.

But the posts do not start that way do they ….

where is the outrage the disgust for his family (if it can’t be for him) its well if the Tories were not like they are we this wouldn’t be such an issue

its actually upsetting if you had heard your own dad called this spat at told to go home I expect you to would have such a reaction where it simply can not be explained away

Rishi getting questioned on gambling?

Oh no!!! It's all an Establishment Plot to undermine Nige. Who'd have thought it? Fiona's doing well.