Thread 51 Sunak: A William Hill to die on

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Maybe it hasn't been disastrous enough yet? 🤷

I always suspected Farage was a fan of migration.

Could not agree more. Decency shouldn’t be parcelled out according to economic worth. Sunak isn’t worth anything to a racist.

I know what it means

I have wondered if you do from your posts

keep with the excuses

its not excuses though, no one would condone such awful rhetoric but we can see why these people have been embolden by the behaviour of a fairly large part of the government over the years, surely you can have sympathy for Rishi Sunak but also question the rise of such behaviour the two don’t cancel each other out.

David Tennants remark about Kemi Badenoch. 'Racism, misogyny, stone him-' Outrage from the Tories. Frank Hester about Diane Abbot 'Racism? Misogyny? Nothing of the kind, Frank's just misunderstood'. It's the blatant hypocrisy. It's very, very annoying.

The Tories don't really "govern" though, do they ? They exist to stop others governing (and thus preventing their mates raking in money from legalised robbery).

They certainly don't lead.

Absolutely pointy very well put. I'd like the threads to continue as it's a great community of people all aiming for one common thing - a decent government.

Things won't be perfect on 5th July and there'll be plenty to discuss.

I hope the thread continues after 5th July...

Not sure how I'll feel tbh. My constituency seems very close!

The racist has apologised, surely Sunak should accept that and move on like he told everyone else to over Frank Hester.

Indeed

It was a bit rich hearing him say not calling out racist and misogynistic comments says a lot about the culture of reform. Totally agree, just as it does in any organisation, for example the Conservative Party.

I think a big problem is the black and white view that's portrayed in the media as what we think and why we vote.

So if you don't agree with the Rwanda plan you don't want to stop the boats and want mass "illegal migration".
I ignore the whole "labour wants to allow everyone to come here"

But all of us here have said that yes, we need to stop the criminal gangs profiteering from people who - on the whole - are seeking asylum and are willing to risk their lives on a boat to get a better life. We agree in effect we do need to stop the boats.

I ignore Labour every time they use their sound bite "smash the gangs".

It's just I prefer labour policy of how they intend to tackle the problem and their correct use of asylum seekers means I'm willing to engage in their narrative.

I also am unhappy about the fact no party has or seems willing to access how we are going to tackle the backlog of asylum seekers currently awaiting a decision. That's the Tory's doing. But Labour have said they want returns deals negotiated for those who aren't found to have a genuine claim.

I'm not 100% sure reform is a totally racist party but they know they appeal to the bigoted members of the uk and know their audience and how to get people onboard. But even Farage has said we need some immigration to survive. He just wants more control over how we do this. I'm not a reform fan and will never vote for them as I don't like the party as a whole.

There's absolutely zero nuance nowadays in anything. And I think that's created the issues we have of a huge divide between left and right when we've always been quite a centric country politically.

I might vote tactically for Labour or LD this time around but I prefer Starmer over Davy as for PM. I can see why people are undecided though because I swing between decided and undecided every day!

Have you seen the aggregated MRPs?

Ours looks better than I thought.

inglesp.github.io/apogee/

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Yeah...
Yougov (who I think have been historically accurate) has it as 34% each 😬

I see some people may not be able to vote because of a SNAFU with postal voting.

Did you know a vote is worth fuck all ?

Rather puts the past few weeks into context.

It is going to close then @user8800

An adequate postal service is a fundamental national asset. Not something to be sold to a Czech billionaire (or anyone else for that matter).

Or one where people are hounded to their death and no one has been charged with manslaughter.

.@UKLabour’s claimed none of the 40 new hospitals promised by 2030 have been built. The @Conservatives appeared to suggest six have.
Actually, so far one of the 40 has opened. (Assuming you consider the Dyson Cancer Centre in Bath a “new hospital”.)

x.com/fullfact/status/1806643835318988931?s=46&t=Uw4lJNwxFZFnX0Xs3doHYg

The new hospitals/wings claimed by Atkins as 'new' had been announced prior to 2020.

You're not getting it.

The Tories have done this. They have done it by using that kind of language about people - disabled people, foreign people, asylum seekers. And if the government uses that kind of language, people will think that it is OK to use that kind of language, and if they are a certain kind of person, they will feel safe using that kind of language in public.

But it started with our own government legitimising it. And Rishi Sunak has been part of that with his 'sick note culture' remarks, othering disabled people.

So now it has happened to him and he doesn't like it - but he and his party have been encouraging others to do it for over a decade. That's called hypocrisy.

WTAF is the football party political broadcast from Conservatives?

I don't know how this polling was carried out but Reform 73 seats, Farage leader of the opposition, Tories 3 seats! I really hope it's not accurate & it's the other way round.

Is that from people polling? They have been outliers all this time.

Could it perhaps be simplified as this:

What was said about Rishi was wrong.
What Rishi said was right.
BUT he’s helped to create an environment where people are emboldened to say things like that and stands by and says nothing when a) the comments are aimed at other people and b) he benefits financially from the people making the comments.
None of the above justifies the comments but nobody, including him, should be surprised that people feel they can make those comments or if people call him a hypocrite.