Thread 51 Sunak: A William Hill to die on

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Why are you trying so hard to pick a fight?
Noone thinks what was said about Sunak is OK. NO ONE. As you can see by the numbers of posts we have made here and elsewhere about it.

What people are saying is maybe he should reflect on how his own behaviour and that of his party has emboldened those racists.

He has stood by, or worse joined in, on a lot of unacceptable language about various "social justice" issues to try to court voters. It's backfired on him in a horrible way.

I wonder if Braverman and Rees-Mogg still think Farage is the future of the Conservative Party?

He is the Establishment! I assume soon we get into the deep state, civil service BBC tofu eating wokearati….

I think pretty much all of us on here would assume that everyone else would be disgusted at what happened to him.

You are trying to be insulted here. We all agree it was disgusting, but it doesn't blind us to the fact that the Tories are massive hypocrites.

All the posts I've seen have said it was wrong. No one has said it was acceptable. Family members have suffered racist attacks, it bloody hurts. Posters on here have just pointed out that Sunak hasn't called out racit attacks on other people. That is hypocrisy. And it is perfectly valid to make that point and doesn't validate racist comments.

FWR will realise in a week.

So you are keeping it then ?

Hands up - a family member was a senior official in UKIP - we disagreed. I have met Farage. He's a knob and he smells strongly of cigarettes.

Reading Rishis answers was a complete tedious waste of time

I am tying to be insulted

wtf does that mean

and no having a different option does not mean I am trying to pick a fight

no doubt SB and JRM would like NF to be back in the Tory party

where is the outrage the disgust for his family (if it can’t be for him) its well if the Tories were not like they are we this wouldn’t be such an issue

This is simply not true. Your sentence contains two components:

1. where is the outrage the disgust for his family - nobody on this thread feels anything but outraged and disgusted that this has happened.

2. well if the Tories were not like they are this wouldn't be such an issue - this is a simple fact.

If we did not mention 2) at all, we would be condoning racism by tacitly accepting those who sowed the seeds of it in UK society. So we call out both things. Your thinking on this is too simplistic.

Brown families are not welcome in the reform fold we are hated

thought that had been quite obvious

Blimey. You go and have dinner and come back to find war’s broken out on your favourite thread.

Well, there's a non-answer...

By not answering the question, you are answering the question.

A Tory donor called for Dianne Abbot to be shot. Rishi the Dishi may or may not have called this out. My lack of certainty stems from his lack of integrity.

However that donor did gift the Tory party - of Rish! is apparently a proud member - some money.

Given the money remains with the Tory party the narrative that it was a fee paid by Hester in order to allow him to make racist remarks is hard to shake.

The decision to keep the money lies with the Rishster.

In other news, I suggested an alternative universe where - despite your protestations - you were gifted £10,000 by Reform. Presumably as their fee for spouting some racist bile.

Do you return or keep the money?

What would a Richmond man do ?

Waugh ! What is it good for ?

I found the comment insulting so not going to get into silly comments about it

Reform are menacing to myself on a personal very personal level

And we found your comments suggesting that we didn't find find the racist comments unacceptable insulting.

See, it's easy...

Farage is worse than Biden in this and worser still he's a conspiracy theorist.

For doubters, I think Biden will be replaced by Harris and the Democrats will win

Edit to add is there a new thread?

its actually upsetting if you had heard your own dad called this spat at told to go home I expect you to would have such a reaction where it simply can not be explained away

I missed this.

My DC were spat at and told to go home in the immediate aftermath of the EU referendum. I know exactly what it's like. And when it happened, I blamed 1) the people who did it, but also 2) The Conservative party and the right wing media for stoking the rhetoric about immigrants.
That is not 'explaining away', that is 'understanding cause and effect'.

You seem unable to grasp that we live in a complex world where many factors are at play and where nothing is simple.

I remember Eric Pickles distaste for May's 'hostile enviroment' and his concerns about othering people and where that would lead. That was back in 2012 I think. Obviously Windrush was where it led.

Since then ministers have used inflammatory and racist language. Gove suggesting that we have an 'enemy within', Anderson saying that Khan handed London to the Islamists, not to mention Goldsmiths reprehensible campaign against Khan, using words like swarm (Cameron?), invasion and overwhelmed (Braverman) at the despatch box. Hester said that Diane Abbot makes him hate all black women. He literally wanted to deny her food. And in return he apologised for 'rudeness'. Obviously he's not a Cabinet minister but someone that can afford to spend £15 million buying influence.

We know why the language has been used - an attempt to stem the votes leaking towards Farage/UKIP/Reform.

But language matters.You can argue for lower immigration without using any of those words. It isnt necessary. They have been used for a reason, to make racist voters feel seen. We have discussed the language countless times on these threads. I imagine some people might dismissed us as woke or snowflakey.

I am - as others on these threads are - repulsed at the language directed at Sunak AND infuriated that our concerns weren't acknowledged.

That doesn't mean Sunak deserved foul abuse.
It mean nobody deserves it.

Anyone doing anything nice this weekend?

RS absolutely should have made sure the money was returned him calling the donor comments racist and misogynistic wasn’t enough as he then said he had shown remorse

I am not arguing with that why would I it was absolutely wrong

Fuck me. The answers from Sunak

More attacks on Labour. Pathetic answers without substance.

And apparently covid 4 years ago and Putins invasion of Ukraine 2 years ago is the sole reason they've fucked the country for 14 years

He really does think we're stupid

haha. I am 50% with you. I think Biden will be replaced - whenever the donors tell him some horrible truths - and he will be replaced by anyone other than Harris.
(She's been given the Labour equivalent of the Shit List to deal with. Voter reform and undocumented migration. An impossible task)

Riding my horse and opening a bottle of fizz as my redundancy notice starts this week. Not far off retirement so it's a golden ticket for me, though aware the reorganisation is very stressful for some colleagues.