The invasion continues - Thread No.4

[ChimChimeny]

Following the previous (2? 3?) Threads

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/_chat/4492641-The-Invasion-Has-Stalled

Just copied this from another MN thread discussing Ukraine, from someone who says they are a Russian political analyst:

Despite the very vague threatening statements made by the Russians over the last few days, the US government was reporting a few hours ago that no change to Russian nuclear force posture had been detected. There's no evidence - so far - that this was more than a desperate attempt to retrieve some credibility in the face of Russia's weakness in Ukraine and inability to stop Western states coordinating diplomatic and economic responses.

Even if Putin is mentally unstable - and there's no consensus on that - the people around him, including the senior military leadership, aren't.

And anyway another poster attacked you not me. Why didn’t you respond to them?

Because she appears to be too far invested in this conflict emotionally and I prefer not to answer to a person who call me disgusting because of my political views when they are so emotionally invested.

You on the other hand keep referring to my posts when you have nothing to say that interests me.

Argh, can we stop arguing and being all mumsnetty? It's derailing an otherwise excellent and informative thread.

@Alondra

And anyway another poster attacked you not me. Why didn’t you respond to them?

Because she appears to be too far invested in this conflict emotionally and I prefer not to answer to a person who call me disgusting because of my political views when they are so emotionally invested.

You on the other hand keep referring to my posts when you have nothing to say that interests me.

I was offering support to another poster and you then went in the attack

Yes do refrain from tagging me if so uninterested, I would happily welcome your disinterest rather than you thinking you know so much about me. Seriously.

Don’t take it out on someone else because you don’t want to respond to the person who insulted you.

Go kick a cushion or something if a post of support to someone else upsets you that much.

@GnomeDePlume

I read somewhere that Bolsonaro spoke in support of Putin. So if Putin does find himself retired then perhaps a nice Palace in Brazil will be a suitable place for him. What with Covid having gone so well there.

Meanwhile in France; Marine Le Pen's party is binning its 8-page electoral tract, which features a picture of her shaking hands with Vladimir Putin. Apparently that's not a vote-winner any more! 1.2 million copies had been printed.

I agree. Take your boring tit for tat argument elsewhere and let the otherwise very interesting thread continue.

Sure I’m happy to ignore not sure why so much anger but will leave it there.

Amazing footage from Melitopol of Ukrainians stopping the onward advance of a Russian convoy and chanting “Occupants!” and “Murderers!” The jittery Russians are firing into the air

twitter.com/i/status/1498655849178402820

Fuck sake, came to read and half the blasted thread is bun fighting. 🤦🏻‍♀️

Just leave it, agree to disagree.

Can we get back to updates on the war, political history and ongoing events with verified sources, along with odd light hearted joke about knitting and baking during lockdown.

PM currently in Estonia about to make statements.

@ChardonnaysPetDragon

is a keen dog owner...

There is always one. Can we all doggie bag card carrying dog owners unite and denounce him?

Balance Chards balance!

I don't like being called a fucking cyclist, associated with a mass murderer.

whilst people are being blown to bits and the threat of nuclear war hangs over us, might be an idea to take your dislike of cyclists elsewhere, because like Putin, its irrational.

@Alexandra2001 you say he's ever been a cyclist? You know he may have name changed for that

Yeah. The personal bitchiness is getting tiresome. Personally I appreciate the conflicting viewpoints and see them as a wider perspective. Right or wrong, it's useful to hear.

Apologies! Didn’t mean to fill thread. Was taken aback by personal attack but happy to leave it.

Meanwhile in France; Marine Le Pen's party is binning its 8-page electoral tract, which features a picture of her shaking hands with Vladimir Putin. Apparently that's not a vote-winner any more! 1.2 million copies had been printed.

Meanwhile in the UK "Farage Putin" returns too many results of the bonkers Brexiteer praising the newly created pariah to curate away.

It would be richly ironic of the nuance-free definitely-binary tactics deployed by fraudster Farage et al suddenly caused their star to wane as the mantra about "the enemy of my enemy" suddenly reverses decades of preparation.

@DuncinToffee Ha!

I wonder how many politicians all over the world are frantically shredding or deleting their pics with Putin and rehearsing responses to future probing questions from journalists....

@CaveMum

Just copied this from another MN thread discussing Ukraine, from someone who says they are a Russian political analyst:

Despite the very vague threatening statements made by the Russians over the last few days, the US government was reporting a few hours ago that no change to Russian nuclear force posture had been detected. There's no evidence - so far - that this was more than a desperate attempt to retrieve some credibility in the face of Russia's weakness in Ukraine and inability to stop Western states coordinating diplomatic and economic responses.

Even if Putin is mentally unstable - and there's no consensus on that - the people around him, including the senior military leadership, aren't.

I wanted to quote this because it may have got missed and whatever truth there is to it at least it is something reassuring!

Perhaps now would be a good time for thread number 5.

NB I am an occasional cyclist too, just making a light-hearted joke in regards to mumsnets regular enemy.

www.politico.eu/article/belarus-russia-war-ukraine/

Belarus lie as much as Putin does. So if they said this morning they are not sending troops to Ukraine, it was just another typical Putin/Soviet style lie.
Continuous lying to seed doubt. That is the strategy.
So even if we can obviously see the Russian army cracking at the seems without food etc, we end up doubting what we see. We think - are they just pretending to have a useless and unprepared army? However, the US and British intelligence services have observed these Soviet tactics for years, so they won’t be fooled.

So many lies fed to the people of Russia and Belarus. Sad that they appear to think that the people of Ukraine welcome them and want them to invade their country.

The miles and miles of tanks and soldiers heading towards the capital shows that Putin is determined to take a free country. I feel disgust for him. I wish someone could remove him before more innocent civilians are killed.

The beautiful little girl shot dead in the street with her parents. No words.

@Damnloginpopup

NB I am an occasional cyclist too, just making a light-hearted joke in regards to mumsnets regular enemy.

I took it as that too

notimagain thanks for that. What are all these fighters actually doing, while they are up there,? Surveillance, map making, aerial photography? I’m not sure I find it very reassuring somehow. Are they armed?

@Damnloginpopup

Of COURSE he’s a cyclist. It all makes sense now. Actually laughed out loud.

They will be patroling to protect and defend from incursion by other aircraft. They will be armed and will fight as becomes neccesary

@Igotjelly

Could Putin not just have taken up baking or crochet over lockdown like the rest of us 🙄😡

He could have made himself a nice vest to go riding in.

Well if Putin has any kompromat on rumoured Boris's Bunga Bunga parties at Lebedev's mansion in Italy we shan't have to wait too long to see them !

www.opendemocracy.net/en/opendemocracyuk/revealed-boris-russian-oligarch-and-page-3-model/

I do struggle to understand how a man who has lived for seven decades, has children and Grandchildren, including alleged toddler twin sons , and who is rich beyond all measure, isn’t counting his blessings and finding ways to help the world, rather than blowing up civilians.