Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #64

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TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

Is he just a bit incompetent and lazy, or is there more to it? Regardless, he should not be in this important role IMO.

... should just shut up and take their clothes off so as not to upset the men.

... because ... you know ... policy

If i recall did the fox bothered try to assert that the workplace regs was not referring to pples biological sex, i mean f you have drank the cool aid ……

'So how did the union react to a 50% cut in wages for the 20% of staff they didn't make redundant?
Well, the bosses decided, and they must have had their reasons..'🙄

It's one thing to 'know' that's what was going on, but having it definitively proved is like a kick in the teeth.

@Boiledbeetle Boiled Beetle He thinks Sandie, and by extension any woman, should just shut up and take their clothes off so as not to upset the men.

Transactivist aims in a nutshell.

Given he's not from a nursing or medical background, do you think he'd even considered what changing scrubs etc might involve? He should have done, but maybe he thinks it's just somewhere to hang your coat, not that that makes a difference if it says female on the door.

I really really do hope that workplace Regs get a mention, what with being the law and everything. I wonder if they get a mention on the RCN website (not a medical professional so no idea what sits on the RCN website)

@Lacksie

Does this afternoon's evidence change your opinion about whether the first stage of the two stage test is met?

That's why all women should join a woman's union.

A lot of the time it is not malicious, the dismissing of women's issues, it is a lack of consideration. The thought does not enter their heads, it needs to be pointed out, usually every time.

And as a result got a legal judgment that said workplace regs were on the basis of biological sex

tbh I havent had a chance to scroll through it all yet - was working and school pick up and the thread moves fast!

You may find Stuart's evidence illuminating.

Yes I agree.

Even if it hadn't occurred to him on his own that there might be an issue with the fact Upton was in the women's, it was explicitly spelt out to him by Sandie.

We have seen his mentality before - what's the big deal, it's just one... not realising that the "just one" impacts on ALL the women.

Eg. Oh, it's just one bloke in the race, what's the problem? Well, he's ballsed up the results for ALL the women after him.

This is the realisation that women are People Too.

If you have a summary (and the inclination/ time!) please share 🙏🏻🙏🏻

Factual Scene of RCN, The NHS Board and some silly little girls nurses for those who missed it.

https://www.imdb.com/video/vi2214183961/?ref=extshrlnk

We guessed, didn't we? we're clever like that😃
Besides, at the moment NC is probably DC because of the cold:
Daoibi Cuddighab🤒

Get well soon, Naomi, not that the cold has taken the edge off your sharpness -
She keeps her mind the way men
keep a knife—keen to strip the game
down to her size.
Judy Grahn

She dealt her pretty words like Blades
Emily Dicinson

He said there can be lots of reasons why women don't want to take their clothes off in front of somebody else and mumbled something about body confidence. What he doesn't seem to get is that a reason like that is about you, not the somebody else in the changing room. And if it's about you, then you can wait until the room is empty, find a cubicle, turn your back, whatever you need to do to feel comfortable. You don't insist that the other people in the room stay and applaud your body to make you feel better, or leave/don't look/turn around.

Alas the inclination is to go feed the cats and have a nap.

Tribunal Tweets substack will have the days tweets all together.

Haha Fair enough!! I will check it out.

I think a lot of men are like this, they think women should roll over for it though.

Instantly my head plays 1980s Tunes adverts!

Summary of SF's evidence:

Man understands why another man is upset.

Man perplexed that the woman is upset.

Man assumes woman made man upset.

Woman's own stupid fault.

@Boiledbeetle Oh you sweet optimist.

Has Nick Wallis been tweeting?

Scottish press covering

https://www.thenational.scot/news/national/26587608.rcn-failed-help-needed-pronoun-nurse-tells-peggie-tribunal/

He definitely never spent a moment considering how a woman might feel.