Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #64

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TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

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From TT:

NC please turn to bundle. That is MG email to you 16 April. If RCN having discussions with management about men using womens facilities. You didn’t respond.
SF don’t recall.
NC I suggest difficult for you to answer because the RCN position was TWAW. Same as health board.
SF

NC above your pay grade?
SF the board for joint unions discussion
NC other email that was just a number not an email address. You don’t know whether behind that number there was an actual email address so no reason to doubt SP when she says she didn’t receive it.
SF can’t say

"You don’t know whether behind that number there was an actual email address so no reason to doubt SP when she says she didn’t receive it."

NC's jist telt the big lod "Receipts or STFU"

I've just tried that microphone settings thing, thanks, although I'm staying quiet just in case. Will try not to sneeze or cough!

So training on Grainger, but not Forstater??

NC other email that was just a number not an email address. You don’t know whether behind that number there was an actual email address so no reason to doubt SP when she says she didn’t receive it.
SF can’t say

They have never checked past that bloody bit in the case management system to see whether the email was actually sent.

Apparently 🤔

Sits on hands...

Fifer - "sent the email, did ye aye?"

Fife Adage : "Ah dinnae aye say "did ye aye", but when ah dae, it's cos ye didnae"

Welcome Fifer! 😁

'Report' here is not being used in the sense of 'snitch' but in the sense of 'create a record of'. [Edit: or in the sense of a news reporter.]

There was a complaint (I think by the offender). The management suspended her. She went to the union and told them verbally what had happened. The case officer 'created a report' (opened a file for her case) and sent her the letter confirming the contents of their phone conversation.

From TT:

NC if sent to some number other than membership number it wouldn’t get to them would it?
SF that’s only appearing here in the way it’s been pulled from the system
NC that’s not SP membership number
SF sorry i meant case number.
NC but you haven’t checked the email ?
SF no

NC back to training - what have you received?
SF protected belief not allowed to manifest in ways not of respect in an equal society
NC specifically training in the way the law handles differences holding v manifesting?
SF yes. Manifesting in a way that was unlawful in a work

Kippers for breakfast tomorrow

Jeez this bloke is clueless.

Muted now. phew!!!

This man knows nothing.

From TT:

NC anything else ?
SF not off top of my head.
NC what’s noticeable you’ve mentioned limits but not reasonable manifestations. You’ve gone straight to the negatives. Was positive omitted from your training?
SF don’t think so
NC the whole way the RCN has framed this is restricted

SF not sure
NC trans identified men don’t count as the opposite sex under EA. We’ve heard about some of the training sessions. Have you not yet heard training about manifestation of beliefs re FWS?
SF I’ve been off with a bereavement .

From TT:

NC another high profile case re FWS . Any training?
SF not sure
NC women on public boards. TIM no rights to be treated as woman. I think it’s fair to say no one ever said to you men such as this are not women?
SF (missed)

NC that was quite an important thing for trades unions to know wasn’t it?
SF potentially

SF really can't cope under cross examination.

Freda Wallace trained nurses??!

From TT:

NC an RCN thing called Activist Academy what is it?
SF in England a series of academies and training reps supporting representation. h & S etc

NC let’s turn to a post on blue sky from Freda Wallace. A picture from an AA event
SF I don’t know who FW is. Don’t know who organised

Stuttering and stammering at Olympic levels here.

Lol Fred Wallis making an appearance. Brilliant.

JFC really?

That is because he has no idea what he is talking about despite the fact it should be in his job description.