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Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #64

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nauticant · 27/09/2026 20:51

TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

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FarriersGirl · 28/09/2026 15:55

From TT:

NC but no thought from you this was a case of harassment?
SF not based on the RCNs guidance but on EHRC.
NC that was one of the ways gender ideology got in wasn’t it.

Tallisker · 28/09/2026 15:55

WHAT ARE THEY SAYING???

ickky · 28/09/2026 15:55

Getting hot under the collar are you SF?

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:56

SF I wouldn’t know. She believed he was clearly a man.
NC what you’ve recorded’the member advised that SHE shouldn’t be in there’ You substituted feminine pronouns.
SF yes
NC doesn’t that substitution clearly give the game away that you were taking the opposing position
NC this is the problem. GI has so clearly got into RCM, that even reporting a members speech you don’t use correct sex pronouns.
SF I do have spelling mistakes
NC so ‘she’ was a slip of the finger? You handled this call on the basis she was the aggressor and Dr Upton was the victim.

Wowsers!!

Shedmistress · 28/09/2026 15:57

Whoopsie!

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:57

Oh fuck off Stuart.

ickky · 28/09/2026 15:57

Oh for fucks sake

Scout2016 · 28/09/2026 15:57

Bet he wishes he stayed in admin.

CriticalCondition · 28/09/2026 15:57

Fuck off! Again.

SlackJawedDisbeliefXY · 28/09/2026 15:57

NC what you’ve recorded’the member advised that SHE shouldn’t be in there’ You substituted feminine pronouns.
SF yes
NC doesn’t that substitution clearly give the game away that you were taking the opposing position
NC this is the problem. GI has so clearly got into RCM, that even reporting a members speech you don’t use correct sex pronouns.
SF I do have spelling mistakes

Which one is it?

YouCanCallMeMonster · 28/09/2026 15:57

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:56

SF I wouldn’t know. She believed he was clearly a man.
NC what you’ve recorded’the member advised that SHE shouldn’t be in there’ You substituted feminine pronouns.
SF yes
NC doesn’t that substitution clearly give the game away that you were taking the opposing position
NC this is the problem. GI has so clearly got into RCM, that even reporting a members speech you don’t use correct sex pronouns.
SF I do have spelling mistakes
NC so ‘she’ was a slip of the finger? You handled this call on the basis she was the aggressor and Dr Upton was the victim.

Wowsers!!

Didn’t the initial note from the call centre also mention “trans female”? Sandie would never have referred to Upton as female.

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:58

Scout2016 · 28/09/2026 15:57

Bet he wishes he stayed in admin.

Annoyed customers whose x is failing to do y would probably be preferable for him right now!

murasaki · 28/09/2026 15:58

Thats not fat fingered typing or a spelling mistake, s isn't next to h on a keyboard mate.

FarriersGirl · 28/09/2026 15:58

From TT:

NC there had been no consultation with female staff, no risk assessment. MG was right this threw up equality considerations for all NHS Fifes female colleagues
SF yes.
NC isn’t that the kind of high handed behaviour that would usually infuriate a union?
SF we don’t usually have consultations around single individual
NF but it affected all the women staff?
SF not all TW are dangerous
NF but aren’t women entitled to say they don’t want to get in changed of a man.
SF GI access was a grey area at the time

MarieDeGournay · 28/09/2026 15:58

Was ''she' for 'he' a spelling mistake, or was it automatic writing - he held the pen, but it was gender ideology that moved his hand...

ickky · 28/09/2026 15:58

What other grey areas do they make policies on without all the impact assessments, T's crossed and I's dotted etc?

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 15:59

murasaki · 28/09/2026 15:58

Thats not fat fingered typing or a spelling mistake, s isn't next to h on a keyboard mate.

It was completely purposeful

ickky · 28/09/2026 16:00

It's like pulling teeth, but RCN is/was not biased.

ILikeDungs · 28/09/2026 16:00

Too many assumptions Stuart!

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 16:00

SF GI access was a grey area at the time

Beth was a man with no GRC in a woman's changing room.

It was not a fucking grey area.

CriticalCondition · 28/09/2026 16:01

SWAG!

MarieDeGournay · 28/09/2026 16:01

NF but it affected all the women staff?
SF not all TW are dangerous

Non Sequitur Award of the afternoon🍾

Boiledbeetle · 28/09/2026 16:02

NC thinks she'll be another hour so judge is calling it a day

FarriersGirl · 28/09/2026 16:02

From TT:

NC do you accept women are entitled to male free spaces when taking their clothes off
SF the board decided
NC but the board is the traditional adversary of a union. They’d just taken the rights of women away without consulting the unions.
SF I don’t believe that happened
NC the Supreme Court told us what the law always was and the employer had deprived women.
SF believed Dr U had the right to be in that changing room
NC you didn’t think SP had the right to challenge that?
SF no. I thought this was another issue

Appalonia · 28/09/2026 16:02

He's not going to sleep well tonight!

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