Sandie Peggie: Employment Tribunal, associated legal claims, and related matters - thread #64

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TLDR version: Sandie Peggie vs Royal College of Nursing is currently being heard. The hearing started on Wednesday 23 September 2026 and is scheduled to end on Thursday 1 October 2026.

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims were of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claimed to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and after a prolonged process judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025. That judgment is being appealed and an appeal hearing is expected to take place in 2027.

Additional legal claims have been raised. Sandie Peggie is taking action against the Royal College of Nursing, against three senior managers who were witnesses in the employment tribunal - Dr Kate Searle, Dr Maggie Currer and Esther Davidson, against Carol Potter, the chief executive of NHS Fife, for victimisation, against NHS Fife for discrimination, and against its director of people and culture David Miller for harassment. In addition, Sandie Peggie is being investigated by the Nursing and Midwifery Council over fitness to practice.

The past proceedings were live tweeted by www.x.com/tribunaltweets. Tribunal Tweets are likely to be providing coverage in current and future proceedings. There's additional information on Tribunal Tweets' substack: www.tribunaltweets.substack.com/.

Links to previous threads #1 to #60 can be found in this thread: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 61: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5472628-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-61 8 January 2026 to 3 August 2026

Thread 62: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5562302-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-62 3 August 2026 to 24 September 2026

Thread 63: www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5581909-sandie-peggie-employment-tribunal-associated-legal-claims-and-related-matters-thread-63 24 September 2026 to 27 September 2026

He’s got the white noise of panic playing between his ears so he cannot hear Naomi’s questions….

SF dr U thinks of herself as a woman.

🙄

It's above his paygrade!

There may be a good reason why he hasn't managed that.

[Am cross at the damage done to women, over and over, by men like him who simply do not care, or bother.]

So basically, he didn’t consider Forstater at all because the prevailing ideology of RCN is for GI.

...NC....That proceeds on the premise that Dr U is a kind of woman.
SF dr U thinks of herself as a woman.
NC but out there in the world there is another view. That TW are a kind of man.

Gosh she's quick, isn't she?cold or no cold.
'TW are a kind of man'😂
We should all have such a cold!

"She believed he was clearly a man"

snort

Stuart is rather dejected.

"She believed he was clearly a man"

Ah but Stuart you have shown your position by assuming that Sandie had committed an act of discrimination rather than being the victim of harassment. And the internal Gife investigation and the original ET has shown your position to be wrong.

I want to shake him.

ETA in a bloody wake up man! manner!

I'm trying not to 'notice' the physical appearance of this witness. But it's a fact that he is a very, very large man of at least 20 stone. And it is therefore highly unlikely that he has ever felt physically intimidated in his adult life.

I don't think I would have thought about it.

Wow!

Oh fuck off

That is the point!!!!

And that is where we end up.

Long pause to underline "I didn't really think about it"

True, but he might have experienced other negative things because of his weight.

Time for this one.

I thought subconscious bias training was all the rage?

Is this man incapable of independent thought?

But your analogy would require some evidence that the people actually making the decisions about SP held discriminatory views about her protected belief.

If the person who fired the black employee had themselves made racist comments, that would obviously be highly relevant evidence of motive. But the equivalent here isn’t simply some small examples that suggest there may be a broader institutional culture- (and your examples of waving a progress pride flag don't even show discrimination btw). I'd think you'd need a factual link between the alleged discriminatory attitude and the particular people and decisions SP is complaining about..

From TT:

NC two rival claims, TWAW and TWAM. NP agreed with me that’s what it boils down to.
NC RCN position is TWAW
SF i don’t think it has a public position as such
NC a private position?
Not been put on the table and debated.
SF I wouldn’t know. She believed he was clearly a man.
NC what you’ve recorded’the member advised that SHE shouldn’t be in there’ You substituted feminine pronouns.
SF yes
NC doesn’t that substitution clearly give the game away that you were taking the opposing position
NC this is the problem. GI has so clearly got into RCM, that even reporting a members speech you don’t use correct sex pronouns.
SF I do have spelling mistakes
NC so ‘she’ was a slip of the finger? You handled this call on the basis she was the aggressor and Dr Upton was the victim.
SF she’s tried to sort this informally and the employer hadn’t dealt

You could ask him, but he wouldn't know.

That's a really important point, which underpins all of SP's experiences - she seems to have been assumed to be the perpetrator of something, anything, rather than the victim of anything.
Ditto JM.