Tempest v Rural Payments Agency Tribunal Thread 4

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Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5549122-tempest-v-rural-payments-agency-tribunal-thread-3

TT substack: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/tempest-vs-defra-and-rural-payments

Tempest (a TW) is claiming discrimination, harassment and/or victimisation on grounds of gender reassignment. Central to the claim is the existence of the Sex Equality and Equity Network in the Civil Service (SEEN). SEEN has been granted right to intervene. Parts of the original claim against the co-chair of SEEN (Elspeth Duemmer-Wrigley) and another party (Andreas Mueller) were struck out or narrowed. Another claimant, PQ, is no longer part of the case.

I will also note that Elspeth still has a garden in need of seeds and water to support the ability of SEEN to be an intervenor in this case. The claim originated because she said "only women menstruate" and a search with her name and those terms at the usual gardening website should point you to her plot.

Well now you've said that, Marie, I don't feel so bad! 😁

Like women wanting sex based rights; their existence throws off the groove.

In fact the pout to go with that phrase is exact.

So rules are

Men can be in menopause groups
Men can be in breastfeeding groups
People who transition once and be in trans groups
People who transition twice NEED BANISHED

Everything else is GENOCIDE

ED: [reading] oh my word

?? I want to know more!

My TT:

NC: At the mtg did anyone ask about question quality and so on?
ED: Don't think so now
J: Is the point, aG invited to these things so why not SEEN?
NC: Also that aG had huge influence, creating environment where SEEN attacked.

ED: aG is best kept secret in the Civil Service, nobody knows we exist, Samantha didn't to start with

NC: Not my point - which is, you have been treated as unquestioned experts, for years, which contributed strongly to the culture we see of unthinking adherence to aG belief system

It also can't help demonstrate that they don't give a shit about the vulnerable for all their protestations. As soon as you say detrans (which includes the word trans ED, in case you hadn't noticed) then yer oot on yer airse and we will happily slam the door in your face if you darken our threshold again. Talk about creating a hostile environment. It's my way or the highway.

After these two intolerant pricks I am looking forward to Elspeth’s evidence

ED: aG is best kept secret in the Civil Service, nobody knows we exist,

Then you weren't doing your bloody job properly.

ED: aG is best kept secret in the Civil Service, nobody knows we exist,

WTAF? Her workplace is funding a secret network?

J: Is the point, aG invited to these things so why not SEEN?

Anyone else getting the idea that this judge isn’t too bright?

I'm just hoping she doesn't get too distressed.

Nobody knows we exist and nobody listens to us, but we’re asked to do presentations all the time

From TT:

NC: And to treatment of GC as an embarrassment only tolerated bcs Forstater
ED: Not agender beliefs, everyone's beliefs, majority feminism [much more sorry]

NC: [missed]
ED: No, only because aware of C claim some time after it started, and I'm the only person - other than my co chair Cleo once -
NC: You went with ST to grievance interview?
ED: Yes

J: Can we clarify date.
ED: I think I came in at the point where ST first grievance had been upheld. First meeting I remember was 2nd grievance hearing, and wd only have heard of it shortly before.
J: Appeal?
ED: No, start of 2nd grievance I think.

NC: Cleo Lunt at grievance appeal meeting?
ED: Yes
NC: (and another meeting)_
ED: yes
NC: And you have been hear all hearing?
ED: Yes

Well, maybe useful to be the best kept secret if you were collecting a full time wage for it.

They do now don't they.

a:gender - the state police for the gender ideologues
'we harass race groups to hunt down sex realists, so you don't have to'

Did she not say they have 1700 members and lots more 'allies'. Kinda contradictory.

They invited you to meetings, presentations, at the highest level, took on your policies, paid you full time for 5 years and yet nobody knew about you?

Sounds text book Denton's Document that.

Oh I misunderstood - I thought ED was saying "it's best that aG is kept secret..." but she said "aG is the best-kept secret.." (presumably despite her best efforts and despite all its successes)

NC: Not my point - which is, you have been treated as unquestioned experts, for years, which contributed strongly to the culture we see of unthinking adherence to aG belief system

Good point NC 😁

Are they like MI6, everyone pretends not to know they exist but in reality they do?

But madder of course.

NC: You don't see that saying TW - men - erases 'lesbian' as women exclusively attracted to women?
ED: Disagree, some lesbians might, but, we are saying that's a conversation for ppl and their partners how they define. Not anyone else.

The logical conclusion of her argument is that there is no need for any protected characteristic as the individual is more important than the group. It's very right wing.

As I was going up the stair
I met a:Gender, which wasn't there.
It wasn't there again today....

Ooh, she's outed them. I thought they didn't like outing.

I can only answer that if you've signed the official secrets act.