Tempest v Rural Payments Agency Tribunal Thread 3

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Previous thread: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5548369-tempest-v-rural-payments-agency-tribunal-thread-2

TT substack: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/tempest-vs-defra-and-rural-payments

Tempest (a TW) is claiming discrimination, harassment and/or victimisation on grounds of gender reassignment. Central to the claim is the existence of the Sex Equality and Equity Network in the Civil Service (SEEN). SEEN has been granted right to intervene. Parts of the original claim against the co-chair of SEEN (Elspeth Duemmer-Wrigley) and another party (Andreas Mueller) were struck out or narrowed. Another claimant, PQ, is no longer part of the case.

I will also note that Elspeth still has a garden in need of seeds and water to support the ability of SEEN to be an intervenor in this case. The claim originated because she said "only women menstruate" and a search with her name and those terms at the usual gardening website should point you to her plot.

I'm expecting a lot of selective amnesia

Sad face

From TT:

AL you are an employee of the Land Registry (LR)
ED yes HM LR
AL and during the period concerned
ED for 30 years
AL and you are chair of AG (a:gender)
ED co chair,
AL were you sole chair during the period concerned
ED yes
AL AG is xgov network
ED its existence predates your

From TT:

time as chair
AL predates you but Cabinet Office responsible for setting up
ED I don't know
AL in your capacity as chair would you raised issues with CO (Cabinet Office)
ED yes
AL so CO responsible for gov and regulation of AG
ED correct

AL you are an employee of the Land Registry (LR)
ED yes HM LR

His Majesty's no less. Let's not forget ED is very important.

Oh I’m a powerless lady who just GURNs and these bundles are so manly.

Poor little XY me.

From TT:

AL you explain in WS function of AG, for T, IS, NB, etc.
ED yes
AL and allies,
ED yes
AL you share a belief that T people should not be discriminated against
ED yes
AL - do you disagree with view that sex is immutable and binary (your personal capacity)

Here is a live action shot

I'll be home in 10 minutes and can take over. DS was late in, no teacher to collect him, they're all on the field doing sports day.

From TT:

ED I do
AL does that represent the view of your members, majority
ED yes, I believe so
AL so do you stand in opposition to SEEN because of GC views
ED a little more complicated, I don't think I stand in opposition, I don't have objections to staff networks, I don't have a

Thanks for the mention of gardening earlier in the thread - I will be planting some seeds later.

I was ruminating on this when I went to bed last night as the complete bullshit coming out of ST's mouth has infuriated me so much.

I was so hoping the Supreme Court judgement would provide complete clarity and even though I am not naive enough to think there would be no pushback from the TRA's, did think it would be the beginning of the end of these ridiculous claims/court cases.

I am absolutely sick of taxpayer's money being used by the public sector to try and go against the law to appease deluded men.

Given that not everyone (and by "everyone" I mean women as we are the ones fighting back against this crap) has the resources, strength, support etc to go to court or be able to stand up against this, I wonder if there will become an underground network of women only groups, a sort of "resistance" movement fighting back below the parapet and if they become infiltrated, shut down and set up again until enough cases have gone through the court to stop this complete madness.

I am grateful I work in the private sector (admittedly in a male dominated industry) where this crap would just not be tolerated.

Sorry, this probably rambles and makes no sense as I am a bit tired!

Perfect, I’ll hold fort, no great rush

I imagine her rather like this in a blonde wig.

From TT:

personal animosity to anyone for views
AL but you share a view that GC views should not be expressed in the workplace
ED yes
J can I clarify
ED the words 'binary and immutable' is what we find most offensive
AL in that SEEN promotes that, you stand in opposition to that and you

From TT:

have used AG to oppose
ED we stand to protect T colleagues in the workplace
AL because you believe that GC views undermine T people in the workplace, you use AG to undermine SEEN
ED I surveyed by network and I'm representing the views of my network
AL are you referring to the

AL but you share a view that GC views should not be expressed in the workplace
ED yes

At least she doesn't add in the waffle ST did.

"I don't have a personal animosity to anyone for views"

"The words 'binary' and 'immutable' is what we find most offensive" [emphasis mine]

Rachel Rooney has reported on twitter, sales have been boosted, thanks to Tinkerbell.

Catching up here - is Emma Dunn bio male or female?

From TT:

AG survey?
ED among other things yes
AL do you accept that DEFRA and the RPA do not advocate that AG should not exist, let me revise it was a negative proposition - neither DEFRA or RPA suggest that AG cannot exist
ED - no they do not

The clerk in charge of the video feed this morning seems very organised and responsive this morning.

From TT:

AL they don't seek to ban in DEFRA & RPA
ED AG is cross gov, we don't seek to set up branches that would silo members all over again
AL you've decided not to do that but no on has told you you can't
ED no, nobody has told me I can't
AL - Rs accept SEEN as x-gov network

It's my payday today so going to buy a copy, and do my due diligence with gardening.

Just getting to speed on X ready for C&P

ED has a DSD - swyer syndrome.

From TT:

ED yes
AL treating SEEN same as AG
ED - yes they are
AL your WS says AG to support T, allies, IS and so they don't suffer discrimination. Can I ask you to find part 1 of the Bundle, page 353
ED oh this is the one with the loose pages
AL don't think you'll need those put them