Daughter in early 20s lonely due to GC views

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My daughter is in her early twenties. She is GC and is struggling because so few of her peers have similar opinions. She is very lonely because of this. Are there any online groups she could join to give her a sense of community? She is also ND. Thank you in advance for your advice…

I am wondering how some people believe that consent around male people accessing publicly accessible female single sex provisions is decided on a partial consensus basis.

That is actually counter intuitive to the concept of consent.

A group of women cannot vote to allow one male person to use a publicly accessible female single sex provision and override other’s non-consent. Of course that doesn’t work. What the fuck happens if a non-consenting female person enters that provision then?

Consent around the issue of safeguarding is not transferable for a reason. There is also a reason it cannot be considered given if there is a coercive situation where it was not given completely freely. Such as if a group influence a woman to consent when she doesn’t want to because they all consented.

FFS.

Have you read the Supreme Court judgement, at all? Because it already did this. At length.

It has been stated.

And the people who don't like it are going to rallies and holding up signs which say 'decapitate terfs', 'the only good terf is a dead terf' and the like as well as (evidenced on this thread) making threats of sexual assault against women.

It depended on the Supreme Court. Who have had their say.

We could have used the equipment, yes. And if she genuinely cared about the issue more than being centred as someone who seeks to care about the issue, she would have given it. But she was exposed as performative through her actions. Live White Feminism.

But the law doesn’t say that.

Have they? Seems pretty murky to me. That's why I said that people have to hope things stay at least roughly the same.

Doesn't say what?

Or just be women who arent even trans but quietly use formal channels that create real change to overturn the ruling.

What was murky about a judgment that said sex in the EA meant biological sex?

What makes them women?

Well it would be the same as someone who objected to another woman's presence based on some other characteristic. The person with the issue would be expected to quietly find a way around it. Go in the cubicles, not attend etc.

Some women might disagree that trans women are male in any meaningful sense. So even if males are excluded, it won't include trans women.

They can disagree all they like, the law says different.

The number one criteria to be a transwoman is to be male.

Makes who women? The women who support trans women? They are female with vaginas and breasts and XX chromosomes. They just arent GC.

Some women might disagree that trans women are male in any meaningful sense. So even if males are excluded, it won't include trans women.

The law currently kind of says different.

So an abused or ethnic minority woman who can not share spaces with men, should just not use her own spaces? Nice.

No it does not.

No. What makes transwomen women?

There is no pretzeling about it. You cant deny that a large amount of women are fully supportive of trans inclusion in single sex spaces as per the trans person's wishes. Those women are women and their opinions are as valid as any other woman on this matter.

Why are you asking me that?
What has that got to do with the fact that other women, maybe most women, maybe just a big lot of some women, think TWAW?

Repeating yourself with poor analogies doesn’t really help.

I notice you’ve skipped the questions I asked - is the woman you are talking about a racist? Why did you claim that the BAME women are not safe with her around?

Being ‘woman led’ is very different to ‘excluding everyone from even the practical discussions about the use of my valuable sound equipment with not so much as a thank you or a credit’.

Many people lending equipment, especially equipment that will likely need their input of setting up and taking down would want to be involved in discussions from a practical point of view.

Positioning of expensive equipment within the space to ensure it is kept safe, used properly and not damaged is important yet you’re criticising this woman for wanting involvement in the practicalities and then randomly accusing all white people of being racist. Maybe she’s got concerns at lending her things to people with such contempt for her based on the colour of her skin?

Yes it currently does.

Also, that applies to Transwomen too. If they have an issue using men’s spaces, find a way round it without using spaces they are not entitled to. It is it only women who should give everything up?

And again - the majority are not. The law and the views of the majority of people align on this issue.