Daughter in early 20s lonely due to GC views

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My daughter is in her early twenties. She is GC and is struggling because so few of her peers have similar opinions. She is very lonely because of this. Are there any online groups she could join to give her a sense of community? She is also ND. Thank you in advance for your advice…

Yes I would like to second that. Top work on facts @Helleofabore - some PPs on this thread can only dream of the extensive sets of facts you have presented.

It’s funny how often we request the facts from the other side and receive absolutely nothing. I’d love to see some actual facts that proves we have nothing to worry about.

Talk naicely be quiet, I think. Or maybe 'let the nasty women take all the flak' while appreciating the rights they fought for and won on your behalf.

“Sort of proving people’s point that being loudly vocal about your GC opinions is not a great idea sometimes.”

Was this meant to be a ‘it is not what you say but how you say it’ kind of post?

I don’t think many people respond well to that type of censure.

Thank you to the PPs who provided me with the descriptors for ScaryFaces's post: irony, DARVO, projection - I'm not quick with words, I sometimes have to dig deep to find the one I need - any one of those would have summed up what I was thinking.

Being agreeable can be weaponised against women. Ad hom attacks reveal a paucity of argument. Some women will and do think men deserve more rights than women. Women's rights on the basis of biological sex are enshrined in law and most people agree that is as it should be.

'Remember the dignity of your womanhood. Do not appeal, do not beg, do not grovel. Take courage, join hands, stand beside us, fight with us'

Some (many actually) people should read Vaclav Havel when he writes about enforced silence being a mechanism of oppression.

Also, MN is a cesspit and echo chamber and everyone hates us.

The world goes on being round.

Women being shamed for their "reputation"

Twas ever thus!

And yet they all flock here…

“there's no interest in the GC movement in facts, just feelings”

Like ‘be kind’? Like a suggestion of rape being ‘unpleasant and unnecessary ‘? Like the suggestion that the majority rules over consent situations in safeguarding? Like ‘all opinions are valid’ while ignoring that this shouldn’t apply to safeguarding? Like feminists being categorised as hateful for using blunt language for pointing out issues that then the UK government also recognised after those blunt words (more of the it is not what you say, it is how you say it)? Like being told repeatedly by multiple posters that ‘both sides are extreme’ while ignoring the fact that the ‘side’ issuing threats of violence is also the very same one rejecting the solutions posters consider reasonable that the feminist side has been making for years if not decades?

Yeah? Don’t let the facts you are supposedly interested in pass you by.

Of all the subsections, in all the topics, in all the sites, in all the internet, they walk into this one.

I think you're mistaking us for Reddit.

Indeed.

I was actually rather surprised to see any suggestion that the OP’s daughter should just never discuss her thoughts and not even with family or the OP. I mean, fuck that as supposedly sound advice.

Yes. Censuring women is very attractive to some people.

Proving my point, another "jump straight to accusations of arrogance/nastiness to avoid hard questions" reaction. But it's water off a duck's back.

The way to shame and embarrass me into silence is to prove my arguments are poor, not my character.

Yeah, I don't get it at all, especially within the family. We have heated discussions between all of us about absolutely everything. God, we are a talky family.

I'm not trying to shame or embarrass you at all, I've repeatedly said people are entitled to their views.

I'm sorry, but you clearly have not thought about this deeply, because if you had you would have better answers

I was responding to this (that you even quoted) assuming that everyone who isn't completely in step with "board think" is just because they haven't thought about it deeply, otherwise they'd have better right 🙄 answers.
Patronising and arrogant.

accusations of obsession and fixation are also accusations used to silence discussion through shame.

Let’s be clear it is an emotionally manipulative tactic to stop discussion when deployed as we have seen it used.

Nobody's trying to stop discussion.
I'm not, anyway. Obviously can't speak for everyone.

If anything is notable for elevating feelings over verifiable facts, it is the notion of "identifying as".

You've been super rude. Did you not realise?

I thought women don't have to be nice?

These are not the only two options.

Where are your arguments? Just constant digs at this board. Do you realise you're doing that?

Then what was with all the chat about 'be kind' upthread about?

I, for one, am thoroughly looking forward to hearing all the facts and and legal arguments those campaigning for removing from women and girls the right not to be forced to undress in front of men and boys are going to present.

Also looking forward to the facts and legal arguments that insist lesbians must provide sexual service to males who declare they are women. And the same in reverse for insisting gay men must do the same for women who declare they are men.

And of course the facts and legal arguments that would deny women who claim to be men access to abortions and maternity protections.

No-one who graces this board declaring TWAW and must be allowed access to all female spaces, services, sports, prisons, refuges, ever says why they are so desperate for this to happen, it will be enlightening to finally hear the why.

Wonder if those campaigning for the overthrow of the SC Judgement are going to addrress the carve out in the GRA regarding hereditary peerages and landed estates.

It is going to be fascinating.