Daughter in early 20s lonely due to GC views

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My daughter is in her early twenties. She is GC and is struggling because so few of her peers have similar opinions. She is very lonely because of this. Are there any online groups she could join to give her a sense of community? She is also ND. Thank you in advance for your advice…

It's actually interesting that you say quietly change as that was the tactic as outlined in the Denton document.

Whereas, the women who fought for the Supreme Court judgement and did so through formal channels did it openly so the general public knew what was happening. They didn't rely on closed meeting lobbying or no debate.

Why do you think there is a difference between the two approaches?

Which law?

I can see you won't get this and this was my last attempt. Thankfully other women do..one gave an example of a man who threatened to withdraw his court action around some trans issue because GC women disagreed with him about something else.

You seem to the slowest one to understand.

The Supreme Court judgement did just this. The judgement stated that in regards to single sex provisions, sex is based on biological definition.

Part of the reason why is because you cannot protect something you cannot define. As gender identity has no biological marker, and is purely based on philosophical belief and one individual’s subjective reality which can change, it is not a reliable category to use to define sex at all for single sex provision.

If you choose to believe it will be different in the future, good for you. I believe that Australia is about to be the test for this and it is already being understood to have highly significant problems. For instance, how can they hold the 2032 Brisbane Olympics when the IOC has a policy that contradicts Australian law.

The legal implications are massive when gender is prioritised above sex category when sex matters.

These threads always go the same way, miles off topic as to what was originally asked and in the same usual trans circles.
I think these type of comments on this post shows it all really - if OP's DD is feeling isolated because she liked a few posts on social media, wanting to find a group of "like minded people" who think the same as her isn't really the way to go as it can just entrench people further.
Much healthier imo to expose yourself to a range of opinions, views on a topic instead.

Which law are you going to point to that says TW are not W? I will point to the same one.

Surely the racist white women’s opinion is valid? Using the logic that all women’s opinions are valid.

The law and reality.

“the words ‘sex’, ‘woman’ and ‘man… mean (and were always intended to mean) biological sex, biological woman and biological man.”
para 264 of Supreme Court judgement.
Murky?

But there are issues with the wording of the ruling and it can be overturned in the future. That's why it's just what the law currently says IMO. Just like any laws, really.

In its entirety, the ruling is not entirely clear. Many people on all sides have said as much.

Equality Act 2010
Gender recognition act (which provides for circumstances where HRC holders are to be treated as their actual sex)

Overturned by which court.

If you understand that then are you suggesting that we should all just pretend that they can - and that women should just pretend not to feel uncomfortable, compromised, insulted or threatened?

I will never understand the mental gymnastics some people will go through to prioritise men over women. Absolutely shameful. In my valid opinion.

What happens in the future is anyone's guess. The law now is clear (if you're familiar with it, that is).

Which racist white woman?

If its the one in my example, no, her views on the BAME event were not valid.

If its the racist white lady in this thread, then yes her opinions on the trans women in women's spaces is equally valid. Her racism doesnt negate her womanhood. Being racist doesnt make you a man.

Thats why I said that people (here) have to hope things stay the same. Other women might be instrumental in changing things though because they don't agree with the ruling.

You cant deny that a large amount of women are fully supportive of trans inclusion in single sex spaces as per the trans person's wishes.

Do you have evidence for this as opinion polls state otherwise? Just under 60% of women think transgender women should not be allowed to use women's changing rooms & just under 30% think they should.

yougov.com/en-gb/articles/51545-where-does-the-british-public-stand-on-transgender-rights-in-202425

The ruling is entirely clear, but people who have not read it are pretending it isn't. The ruling does not change anything; it merely clarifies what was always the case.

Have you confused illegitimate discrimination with legitimate discrimination here?

In a single sex provision, no female person has the right to object to a female person’s presence based on another protected characteristic. That would be illegitimate discrimination and would have legal ramifications.

This is not comparable to male people accessing female single sex provision. Single sex provisions are legitimate discrimination situations.

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/notes/division/3/16/20/7

Being male makes you a man. Transwomen are male.

I see then that I wasn't wrong pages and pages again about Cecilia and bias showing.....it's all very shut up women/why can't you just ge kind/acksherly it's all very complicated/anyway the law isn't clear (when it is)

same old tedious same old

So you don’t think that transwomen are women then?