Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton, following Employment Tribunal judgment - thread #60

[nauticant]

Judgment was handed down on 8 December 2025:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/6936ce28a6fc97b81e57436a/S_Peggie_v_Fife_Health_Board__Dr_Upton.pdf

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It resumed again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.
Following handing down of the judgment on 8 December 2025, on 11 December 2025, it was announced by Sandie Peggie and her legal team that they would be pursuing an appeal.

The hearing was live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6.

Links to previous threads #1 to #50 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 51: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5402652-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-51 1 September 2025 to 2 September 2025
Thread 52: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5403218-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-52 2 September 2025 to 4 September 2025
Thread 53: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5404208-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-53 3 September 2025 to 1 October 2025
Thread 54: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5418690-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-54 28 September 2025 to 21 November 2025
Thread 55: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5447019-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-55 19 November 2025 to 8 December 2025
Thread 56: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5456749-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-56 8 December 2025 to 9 December 2025
Thread 57: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5457132-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-57 9 December 2025 to 11 December 2025
Thread 58: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5458443-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-58 11 December 2025 to 12 December 2025
Thread 59: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5459115-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-following-employment-tribunal-judgment-thread-59 12 December 2025 to 17 December 2025

I wonder if Carol's best pal will come back to this thread to scold us all for saying mean things about Carol, us big meanies???

Gosh these threads are still going too fast to keep up with! Interesting how Peggie and Upton have captured everyone’s imagination. Possibly even more than the infamous Isla Bryson

I still shudder when I visualise those pink leggings... That photographer was a genius and aptly gave a visual representation of the issues facing us with this nonsense. It also resulted in "rapist gender". Despite being an unwelcome visual for me, it managed to bring down the odious Nicola sturgeon, and for that, I am grateful.

It seems to me that there's a concerted effort from certain quarters to portray SP as the villain of the piece. My FB feed keeps showing me articles about the judgement.

The likes, etc show that most are in support of SP, but the comments seem to be largely from TRA's. Comments from those in support of SP seem to be receiving TRA accusations of 'transphobia' or ridiculed.

Empty vessels make most noise, and people who are starting to realise that they've been well and truly had need someone to blame. I shall wish them the 2026 they deserve. Does that count as kind? I do hope so...

I'm sure that it does.

hang on a wee min, did a pal of carol's really come on one of these threads? how did I miss that? what happened?

We got a drive by scolding. I might go take a wee look to remind myself.

She said Carol was lovely, wasn't resigning because of the SP case, and called us all big meanies.

She's not been back.....

which thread number can I find that then?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5447019-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-55?reply=148812370&utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

Wbeezer · 27/11/2025 18:06
I actually know Carol Potter, she is a friend of mine of longstanding. You’ve all constructed a persona for her ( based on assumptions and inflammatory newspaper articles) that I do not recognise.
There are entirely legitimate reasons why she could choose to retire this summer that you don’t know about.
You’ve all been a bit too about gleeful about the outcome, I think it is very unpleasant and not constructive at all.

@Wbeezer any comment on the new disclosures that Carol lied about her reasons for resigning?

I wonder how many other people's headspace Dr U has invaded?

Look around you.

Being entirely subjective and blinded by a close relationship,
I would argue that a close friend of CP is possibly the least best person to judge the way in which she has handled everything

I actually know Carol Potter, she is a friend of mine of longstanding. You’ve all constructed a persona for her ( based on assumptions and inflammatory newspaper articles) that I do not recognise.

That's because you're her friend, not someone who has suffered from the decisions she has made.

It is odd that he's the Hill so many are prepared to die on.

I wonder how it's working out for them. They'll not be the beneficiaries in the long run.

Look around you brought this to mind:

"Least best" is harsh. Sixth best option, surely?

Why have you posted a video of the NHS Fife investigation process?

Wow! 60 threads. This must be a record.

I'm keeping an eye on it but will probably not comment much until the appeal. Hopefully I can do live pasting then.

And for nauticant's sanity, maybe a new thread chain can be started for that, or other people do thread changes as they approach.

You are correct. Freddie McConnell has a GRC so this has been tested and a judgement stands.
https://www.judiciary.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/McConnell-and-YY-judgment-Final.pdf

As was pointed out to me some time back:

www.mumsnet.com/talk/radio_addicts/5459508-archers-thread-193-christmas-in-ambridge-dont-expect-any-wise-men-or-women-discuss-the-archers-here

Presumably the info may be available to the legal teams? Otherwise they couldn't research and request recusals unless panel members volunteered potential CoIs?

And they were all started by Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g?

Wow.

The legal team only have what observers have…..

however Scotland seems like a particularly closed shop