Page 3 | Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton, following Employment Tribunal judgment - thread #60

SexRealistLawyer · 17/12/2025 16:58

Upton took up my headspace today.

We know that he got married soon before he had lady feelings.

So heterosexual marriage.

He didn’t have a GRC. but if he were to apply then:

If you’re currently married or in a civil partnership

When you apply for a certificate, if you want to stay married or in a civil partnership then your partner will need to sign a document to agree to that.

You can still apply even if your partner refuses to sign the document or you want to end your marriage or civil partnership. If your application is successful you’ll get an ‘interim certificate’.

You can only use your interim certificate to end your marriage or civil partnership.

You’ll have 6 months to apply for an annulment, divorce or dissolution from when you get your interim certificate.

You can get a full certificate once you’re no longer married or in a civil partnership.

He either got married knowing he was a biological woman so falsified his marriage or he transformed into a biological woman by the power of self ID over a few months.

And his wife is now in a lesbian marriage.

Actual bonkers.

NebulousSadTimes · 17/12/2025 17:08

INeedAPensieve · 17/12/2025 15:20

I still shudder when I visualise those pink leggings... That photographer was a genius and aptly gave a visual representation of the issues facing us with this nonsense. It also resulted in "rapist gender". Despite being an unwelcome visual for me, it managed to bring down the odious Nicola sturgeon, and for that, I am grateful.

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"isla bryson" chose to wear those leggings precisely to say 'fuck you' to all women, including the one who died on his tiny hill.

dunBle · 17/12/2025 17:21

ICouldHaveCheckedFirst · 17/12/2025 14:58

Jumping back, our version of pax, trucie etc was "Keys!" with both thumbs up. I've never heard of any of the others before this thread.

I wonder how many other people's headspace Dr U has invaded?

There was a study done in the 1950s by Iona and Peter Opie of all sorts of different regional variations of kids' games and terminology etc, which was published as The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren. I can't lay my hands on my copy at the moment, but one of the things in that is a map of the distribution of different "truce" terms across the country. I grew up in an area that used "vainites" instead, although we did use jinx for the "both saying the same thing at the same time" thing.

borntobequiet · 17/12/2025 17:24

dunBle · 17/12/2025 17:21

There was a study done in the 1950s by Iona and Peter Opie of all sorts of different regional variations of kids' games and terminology etc, which was published as The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren. I can't lay my hands on my copy at the moment, but one of the things in that is a map of the distribution of different "truce" terms across the country. I grew up in an area that used "vainites" instead, although we did use jinx for the "both saying the same thing at the same time" thing.

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I loved The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren. My dad, who was a doctor, was randomly given a copy as a gift by a patient. He never read it, but I, aged ten, did.

AGlessandahalf · 17/12/2025 17:37

Excellent journalistic work by the Herald

MarieDeGournay · 17/12/2025 17:53

dunBle · 17/12/2025 17:21

There was a study done in the 1950s by Iona and Peter Opie of all sorts of different regional variations of kids' games and terminology etc, which was published as The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren. I can't lay my hands on my copy at the moment, but one of the things in that is a map of the distribution of different "truce" terms across the country. I grew up in an area that used "vainites" instead, although we did use jinx for the "both saying the same thing at the same time" thing.

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Thank you for all the alternatives to our 'Pax', I'm keeping a note of them and I'll post a list
A vague theory is forming in my mind about them being mis-pronunciations of Latin or French or something. And the crossed fingers is clearly religious.
But thumbs up and 'Barley'.... well, 'parley' is a discussion to arrange a truce..
I wonder am I going down the wrong rabbit-hole. But it's fun anyway

edited to say thank you for the Opie tip!

murasaki · 17/12/2025 18:10

We had Barley in 1980s Brum.

weegielass · 17/12/2025 18:22

for @nauticant's sanity we should maybe campaign for threads to be never ending, rather than ending at 1000 posts!

GallantKumquat · 17/12/2025 18:26

dunBle · 17/12/2025 17:21

There was a study done in the 1950s by Iona and Peter Opie of all sorts of different regional variations of kids' games and terminology etc, which was published as The Lore and Language of Schoolchildren. I can't lay my hands on my copy at the moment, but one of the things in that is a map of the distribution of different "truce" terms across the country. I grew up in an area that used "vainites" instead, although we did use jinx for the "both saying the same thing at the same time" thing.

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Available for checkout on line:

archive.org/details/lorelanguageofsc0000iona_u5g1/page/2/mode/2up

FictionalCharacter · 17/12/2025 18:33

NebulousSadTimes · 17/12/2025 17:08

"isla bryson" chose to wear those leggings precisely to say 'fuck you' to all women, including the one who died on his tiny hill.

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He absolutely did. But did you notice that most newspapers and online news websites used a cropped version of the photo? Most of them were of just his face, or were cropped to above dick level.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 17/12/2025 18:45

MarieDeGournay · 17/12/2025 17:53

Thank you for all the alternatives to our 'Pax', I'm keeping a note of them and I'll post a list
A vague theory is forming in my mind about them being mis-pronunciations of Latin or French or something. And the crossed fingers is clearly religious.
But thumbs up and 'Barley'.... well, 'parley' is a discussion to arrange a truce..
I wonder am I going down the wrong rabbit-hole. But it's fun anyway

edited to say thank you for the Opie tip!

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North American here - we had “Uncle!” where you have “pax,” but I feel it was used slightly differently. It had more of a sense of “I give up, stop, you’re hurting me” and bullies would in fact state that they were going to make someone say “uncle,” or joke that so-and-so was such a baby that they always said uncle. “Are you gonna say uncle, you wuss?” etc.

JanesLittleGirl · 17/12/2025 18:47

FictionalCharacter · 17/12/2025 18:33

He absolutely did. But did you notice that most newspapers and online news websites used a cropped version of the photo? Most of them were of just his face, or were cropped to above dick level.

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The Telegraph gave us the full image. I was particularly struck by the small snail that had crept into his crotch to keep warm and damp.

peakedtraybake · 17/12/2025 18:57

Our "pax" was faynights (never saw it written so no idea of spelling!)

Re TIFs being mothers/the McConnell case, I find it pleasing that this means that mother is, in law, a gender neutral but sex realist word.

NikkiPotnick · 17/12/2025 19:01

INeedAPensieve · 17/12/2025 15:20

I still shudder when I visualise those pink leggings... That photographer was a genius and aptly gave a visual representation of the issues facing us with this nonsense. It also resulted in "rapist gender". Despite being an unwelcome visual for me, it managed to bring down the odious Nicola sturgeon, and for that, I am grateful.

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Those leggings haunt my dreams.

SexRealistLawyer · 17/12/2025 19:14

ICO Commissioner keeping the pressure up

Carol won’t see out her notice

https://www.foi.scot/commissioner-launches-intervention-improve-nhs-fifes-foi-culture-and-practice

Commissioner launches intervention to improve NHS Fife’s FOI culture and practice | Scottish Information Commissioner

Commissioner launches Level 4 intervention to improve NHS Fife’s FOI culture and practice

https://www.foi.scot/commissioner-launches-intervention-improve-nhs-fifes-foi-culture-and-practice

SexRealistLawyer · 17/12/2025 19:17

The issues identified by the Commissioner which the intervention will seek to resolve include:

Concerns around NHS Fife’s interpretation of FOI requests
Concerns around the appropriate identification of information covered by requests
Concerns around the handling of requests relating to high profile issues
Concerns around the handling of requests involving personal data
Concerns around NHS Fife’s co-operation with the Commissioner’s staff during the investigatory process
Concerns around NHS Fife’s governance of its FOI function.

Dear Carol, so kind. Such a good friend.

WellOrganisedWoman · 17/12/2025 19:17

SionnachRuadh · 17/12/2025 12:31

A haftae say, coof is no wan that's familiar tae me.

But when A scundered ma parents, A cud be a glipe or a hallion or a cheeky ghost an sometimes in the same sentence foreby.

But "Sleekit Eck" is a guid wan.

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Staying in the Fife theme… “Scab”

I’m hoping that this case will also be described as
“ a dispute that ultimately changed lives and communities forever.”

Maybe there’s something about Fifers

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/it-started-in-fife-miners-strike-remembered-35-years-on-104705

SnowTrouble · 17/12/2025 19:23

Concerns around NHS Fife’s co-operation with the Commissioner’s staff during the investigatory process

So they did not comply with the ICO's request any more than they complied with Sandie Peggie's legal team's request for disclosure.

What would happen if the Commissioner found the missing "Re:" starting email?

MyThreeWords · 17/12/2025 19:31

The barley/parlay hypothesis sounds very plausible.

On the last thread I mentioned Scribsies as an equivalent of Pax. I'd like to withdraw that: It was actually Scribs that we said. Scribsies must have been something said a town or two away from us.
We had cousins who said fayknights, same as a PP.

RE: renaming of the Big Sond, I think that Kemp should henceforth be known as Unkempt, since he has dismantled the image of himself that we naively had.

Heggettypeg · 17/12/2025 19:34

MarieDeGournay · 17/12/2025 17:53

Thank you for all the alternatives to our 'Pax', I'm keeping a note of them and I'll post a list
A vague theory is forming in my mind about them being mis-pronunciations of Latin or French or something. And the crossed fingers is clearly religious.
But thumbs up and 'Barley'.... well, 'parley' is a discussion to arrange a truce..
I wonder am I going down the wrong rabbit-hole. But it's fun anyway

edited to say thank you for the Opie tip!

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We crossed fingers and said "Kings". South Yorkshire, back in the Sixties.

MyrtleLion · 17/12/2025 19:35

Allison Bailey's judgment against Stonewall will be passed down tomorrow.

https://www.court-tribunal-hearings.service.gov.uk/court-of-appeal-civil-daily-cause-list?artefactId=a692f7f5-e37a-4883-8fe6-9c35711cc306

Thread here:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5429365-allison-bailey-v-stonewall

Court of Appeal (Civil Division) Daily Cause List

https://www.court-tribunal-hearings.service.gov.uk/court-of-appeal-civil-daily-cause-list?artefactId=a692f7f5-e37a-4883-8fe6-9c35711cc306

SqueakyDinosaur · 17/12/2025 19:36

SexRealistLawyer · 17/12/2025 16:58

Upton took up my headspace today.

We know that he got married soon before he had lady feelings.

So heterosexual marriage.

He didn’t have a GRC. but if he were to apply then:

If you’re currently married or in a civil partnership

When you apply for a certificate, if you want to stay married or in a civil partnership then your partner will need to sign a document to agree to that.

You can still apply even if your partner refuses to sign the document or you want to end your marriage or civil partnership. If your application is successful you’ll get an ‘interim certificate’.

You can only use your interim certificate to end your marriage or civil partnership.

You’ll have 6 months to apply for an annulment, divorce or dissolution from when you get your interim certificate.

You can get a full certificate once you’re no longer married or in a civil partnership.

He either got married knowing he was a biological woman so falsified his marriage or he transformed into a biological woman by the power of self ID over a few months.

And his wife is now in a lesbian marriage.

Actual bonkers.

And this is what TRSOH describe as the "spousal veto" - that you, MOST unfairly, cannot force your spouse into a same-sex marriage: if you transition, they must have a way out before it can be official. Yet another example of twisting language for political ends.

QuetzalTerfLus · 17/12/2025 19:39

WellOrganisedWoman · 17/12/2025 19:17

Staying in the Fife theme… “Scab”

I’m hoping that this case will also be described as
“ a dispute that ultimately changed lives and communities forever.”

Maybe there’s something about Fifers

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/it-started-in-fife-miners-strike-remembered-35-years-on-104705

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Scabbie Sond seems a little too harsh even for Kemp!!

lcakethereforeIam · 17/12/2025 20:11

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 17/12/2025 18:45

North American here - we had “Uncle!” where you have “pax,” but I feel it was used slightly differently. It had more of a sense of “I give up, stop, you’re hurting me” and bullies would in fact state that they were going to make someone say “uncle,” or joke that so-and-so was such a baby that they always said uncle. “Are you gonna say uncle, you wuss?” etc.

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We had 'Mercy, mercy, Uncle Percy'. I always thought 'Uncle' came from that.

WearyAuldWumman · 17/12/2025 20:26

WellOrganisedWoman · 17/12/2025 19:17

Staying in the Fife theme… “Scab”

I’m hoping that this case will also be described as
“ a dispute that ultimately changed lives and communities forever.”

Maybe there’s something about Fifers

https://www.fifetoday.co.uk/news/it-started-in-fife-miners-strike-remembered-35-years-on-104705

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Well, there's certainly something about Fife Cooncil and certain Fife businesses.

The article references Seafield Colliery. There's now a private housing estate there. For some reason, the houses were all - to my knowledge - purchased by incomers from Edinburgh and other areas.

All the necessary permissions for building were given. Nevertheless, for some strange reason the locals weren't so keen on buying houses on top of checks notes a coal mine known to be particularly prone to flooding. You'd think that the name might have given it away, wouldn't you? (The estate is called Seafield. The developers reckon that the view is 'stunning'.)