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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.

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Imnobody4 · 04/12/2025 21:33

Here we go again.

From Good Law Project:

We said we’d sue over Ofcom’s decision to dismiss 22,000 complaints about transphobia on TalkTV – now the regulator has caved.

But we had monitored its output for July 2025, a month in which it carried 11 discussions on trans people. And in every discussion, its hosts and guests consistently spouted transphobic views. TalkTV’s stance mirrors the broader editorial position of its sister newspaper The Times, whose toxic and intellectually dishonest campaign against trans people we believe to be a contributor to the rise in hate crime against them.

x.com/JuliaHB1/status/1996576537894703427?t=VgmnlP9LETiwrihlgEkCqA&s=09

Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

I'm happy to be found guilty of defending women's rights and safety, knowing the actual law, understanding basic biology and knowing what a woman is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 15:50

Of course you have no interest in discussing those photos of men violating women’s spaces in the name of so called “trans rights”.

Do you imagine no one here sees through your absurd nonsense? But do carry on.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 15:50

Datun · 05/12/2025 15:35

The point is, you must define your terms.

If, as transactivism says, anyone is who they say they are, then yes absolutely scorn is reserved for any man who enters into a woman's space.

I might put my scorn on the back burner, if they don't uphold damaging stereotypes, don't enter into women spaces, and don't try and compel speech.

Quite.

Underthinker · 05/12/2025 15:51

Is "pouring scorn" a spoonerism for a TRAs favourite activity?

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:52

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:38

You are equating those men who claim to be trans and who pose for photos showing their erections in women's toilets with trans people as a whole. Thtat is pure transphobia.

lol quite the opposite.

That would be the pp's who apparently thought these photos were relevant justification for pouring scorn on trans people.

I have no interest in discussing these photos. I was discussing the statement in the OP and pointing out how it was mocking trans women. Then pp's came in and said that's
appropriate (to mock trans women) cos look at these photos !

Edited

And you are absolutely correct that it is pure transphobia to

equate those men who claim to be trans and who pose for photos showing their erections in women's toilets with trans people as a whole.

thank you for making that really important point.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 15:56

murasaki · 05/12/2025 15:27

Come on , you're being disingenuous. I said it was ok to pour scorn on the idea that that specific person is living as a woman.

However I do think that no male person has lived experience as a woman, and yes, I scoff at the very idea.

That is not transphobic.

Indeed. I do pour scorn on the idea of men being classed as women. It isn’t possible for men to be women and I’m not going to pretend it is. I’m not afraid of being called names for it. I don’t care what those people think. They are absurd.

SionnachRuadh · 05/12/2025 16:00

I am scornful of the idea that it's possible for humans to change sex. Because it isn't.

Does that mean I would be rude, or nasty, or hostile to a random trans person who's just minding their own business? Of course not.

But it's only fair to say, there is a very substantial proportion of trans-identifying males who seem to feel a compulsion to get their cocks out in women's single sex spaces. Which does not count as minding your own business, and which does merit a hostile response.

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:03

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 15:56

Indeed. I do pour scorn on the idea of men being classed as women. It isn’t possible for men to be women and I’m not going to pretend it is. I’m not afraid of being called names for it. I don’t care what those people think. They are absurd.

I'm not sure how and why you think it's compatible to simultaneously;

  1. openly declare you think it's appropriate to pour scorn on trans people.

  2. refuse to allow anyone to point out that this type of attitude / behaviour expresses transphobia.

Could you explain the logic?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 16:04

Well quite @SionnachRuadh

PrettyDamnCosmic · 05/12/2025 16:06

Underthinker · 05/12/2025 15:51

Is "pouring scorn" a spoonerism for a TRAs favourite activity?

Is "pouring scorn" a spoonerism for a TRAs favourite activity?

Chapeau!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 16:06

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:03

I'm not sure how and why you think it's compatible to simultaneously;

  1. openly declare you think it's appropriate to pour scorn on trans people.

  2. refuse to allow anyone to point out that this type of attitude / behaviour expresses transphobia.

Could you explain the logic?

Sorry, I’m not interested.

murasaki · 05/12/2025 16:08

Why is our furry friend so invested in calling us transphobic?

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:10

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 16:06

Sorry, I’m not interested.

Then maybe just stop complaining about things- like the mocking statement in the OP - being called transphobic?

Just say- " yo it's a-ok to be transphobic, and I'm happy to stand behind that".

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 16:10

You may have missed the post where I said I don’t care what names people call me for objecting to abusive, boundary violating men in women’s spaces, such as the one in the photo which you aren’t interested in discussing. I’m not interested in discussing anything with you either @puppymaddness 🤷‍♀️

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 16:11

murasaki · 05/12/2025 16:08

Why is our furry friend so invested in calling us transphobic?

I doubt it’s their first rodeo. I’d put money on it.

murasaki · 05/12/2025 16:12

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:10

Then maybe just stop complaining about things- like the mocking statement in the OP - being called transphobic?

Just say- " yo it's a-ok to be transphobic, and I'm happy to stand behind that".

Edited

Not caring about being called something doesn't mean that what one is being called is true.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 16:13

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:10

Then maybe just stop complaining about things- like the mocking statement in the OP - being called transphobic?

Just say- " yo it's a-ok to be transphobic, and I'm happy to stand behind that".

Edited

I haven’t said anything about the OP. I’m commenting on a specific scenario, mate.

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:13

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 16:10

You may have missed the post where I said I don’t care what names people call me for objecting to abusive, boundary violating men in women’s spaces, such as the one in the photo which you aren’t interested in discussing. I’m not interested in discussing anything with you either @puppymaddness 🤷‍♀️

This thread isn't about abusive, boundary crossing men, it's about whether the statement in the OP about trans women is appropriately called transphobic.

I said it is transphobic , because it pours scorn on trans people.

You said it's ok to pour scorn on trans people.

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:14

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 16:13

I haven’t said anything about the OP. I’m commenting on a specific scenario, mate.

Why?

murasaki · 05/12/2025 16:15

OK, I don't think what JHB said is transphobic. It's a statement of fact.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 05/12/2025 16:15

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:10

Then maybe just stop complaining about things- like the mocking statement in the OP - being called transphobic?

Just say- " yo it's a-ok to be transphobic, and I'm happy to stand behind that".

Edited

Is it transphobic to say that people are “not actually born in the wrong body”?

Helleofabore · 05/12/2025 16:16

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:13

This thread isn't about abusive, boundary crossing men, it's about whether the statement in the OP about trans women is appropriately called transphobic.

I said it is transphobic , because it pours scorn on trans people.

You said it's ok to pour scorn on trans people.

Edited

Hang on!

Those ‘abusive, boundary crossing men’ are transgender if they say they are. If you call them ‘men’ you are misgendering them and denying their lived reality.

You are extremely hypocritical now. Because that is hugely transphobic.

by your standards anyway…

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 16:16

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:13

This thread isn't about abusive, boundary crossing men, it's about whether the statement in the OP about trans women is appropriately called transphobic.

I said it is transphobic , because it pours scorn on trans people.

You said it's ok to pour scorn on trans people.

Edited

It’s about a group of men whose number includes some abusive boundary violating men, such as the one in the photo. Hope this helps.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 16:17

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:14

Why?

Because it was brought up in the course of the discussion 🙄

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 16:18

murasaki · 05/12/2025 16:15

OK, I don't think what JHB said is transphobic. It's a statement of fact.

It's not a "statement of fact" , it's not even a logical statement:

It declares that a person's need to acquire administrative identity documents proves their identity is false, which is, of course, completely silly.

Presumably you have a birth certificate and a passport? A marriage license perhaps?
No one concludes the person isn’t actually born, or a citizen, or married, because they got the document to say so.

Far from a logical statement of fact, it is simply a rhetorical device designed to make trans people look ridiculous and because you agree that trans people are ridiculous you think it makes sense.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/12/2025 16:18

PrettyDamnCosmic · 05/12/2025 16:15

Is it transphobic to say that people are “not actually born in the wrong body”?

According to the pp it’s “pouring scorn” to say “trans women are men”. Sad times.

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