Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.

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Here we go again.

From Good Law Project:

We said we’d sue over Ofcom’s decision to dismiss 22,000 complaints about transphobia on TalkTV – now the regulator has caved.

But we had monitored its output for July 2025, a month in which it carried 11 discussions on trans people. And in every discussion, its hosts and guests consistently spouted transphobic views. TalkTV’s stance mirrors the broader editorial position of its sister newspaper The Times, whose toxic and intellectually dishonest campaign against trans people we believe to be a contributor to the rise in hate crime against them.

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Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

I'm happy to be found guilty of defending women's rights and safety, knowing the actual law, understanding basic biology and knowing what a woman is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

But how do we know we’re female according to you?

How you have it is entirely irrelevant.

The facts of the matter are you do have it.

The fact that some people "perceive" themselves for whatever reason to be the opposite sex I can asolutely agree with.

Thank you. <3

Why am I trans? Because I physically perceive myself as having a female body, but I mentally perceive myself as being a man. Do we agree on that?

This is linguistically incoherent - you can't "physically perceive" something. Perception is a mental process.

@Seethlaw is it your wish to somehow prove that cisgender people don't have a gender identity?

But how do I know I have it? That’s the whole point. How can I know I am female if according to you, it’s not enough just to have a female body? What is this female “knowing” I'm supposed to have? What if my female feeling is not the same as anyone else’s female feeling? What if Im actually feeling male but I don’t know it?

All right then: I mentally understand my physical body to be female. Better?

You know you have it because you are presumably aware of your own direct perception of things.

How do you know when you see a table? Same thing.

That wouldn't make any sense. People who say they have a gender identity which corresponds to their body's sex, obviously have a gender identity.

People who say they don't have a gender identity, however, are not "cisgender".

There’s no such thing as “cisgender” as men are not a type of women. They are mutually exclusive categories.

Good Lord, did you really think anyone diagreed with that part? You really need to read that thread I linked to!

Or even re-read this one properly 😂

Just in case you finally deign to bother to learn what we have been saying here for years already, here's that link again...

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5422838-what-is-trans-and-why-does-it-justify-undoing-sex-in-law-society-culture-and-history?page=1

The only way I would accept “cisgender” as a meaningful term is if a “trans woman” was used to refer to a biological female person who identifies as a man. Otherwise, men aren’t women, so no.

But no. You have told me that though I thought of myself as female, I was wrong because my definition of female was wrong. So do please explain how someone knows they are male or female if it’s not because of their physical body?

Trans people know their sex when they see their bodies. What goes on elsewhere in their minds might be unfortunate and worthy of some search for a cure, but that's it. Sex is what matters in our interactions with each other.

Right you mentally understand your physical body to be female, and yet, somehow despite this, you perceive yourself as male.

For cisgender people, these things are entirely aligned so they are experienced as part of the very same cognition.
For you the two are not aligned, such that there are two levels of cognition happening. One at a more "understanding" level. And one that is at a more automatic / fundamental/ subconscious level, which is the direct perception of self.

Reading up about cognitive science might be helpful. There are different types of cognition:

1. immediate, automatic, non-conceptual, non-inferential sensing and interpretation of sensory data (like seeing colors/shapes),
2. cognition that involves higher-level mental processes like thinking, reasoning, memory, and problem-solving

Number 1 causes you to directly perceive yourself to be male.

Number 2 causes you to understand yourself to be female.

But what if I call a table and see as a table is actually a stool? Then im seeing a stool but calling it a table. And being laughed at for not knowing the difference between a table and a stool.

might be unfortunate

Way to dismiss and trivialise trans experience there.

It's really not a trivial matter.

The fact that some people "perceive" themselves for whatever reason to be the opposite sex I can asolutely agree with.

I don't believe that many of us have ever disagreed with this.

Of course, as Flirts says, this is the only part that we agree on. And in the past, I have found those who tell us they seek 'consensus' to then turn abusive and start name calling others when people keep rejecting their hypothesis and their opinions as having credibility.

That thread that Flirts linked yesterday is a good example. Some long time posters who have 'sought consensus' have form for doing so and been repeatedly deleted for name calling.

Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

This is a statement of fact.

Cross posted with Flirts.

Good Lord, did you really think anyone diagreed with that part

Yes because many posters have repeatedly said so on this very thread.

I don't believe that many of us have ever disagreed with this.

I'm glad you at least changed this to "many".

I do not see the word trivial in what I wrote. You are deflecting because I am correct

Stop using cisgender. It is offensive and demeaning to women. You’re sounding more abd more like that Tandora idiot with every post.

If I see a table but "perceive" a dog, is the table actually a dog?

If I see a table but think the word for table is "dog", do I perceive a table or a dog?

If I see a table but I have no language do I still perceive it?

If I see a table but I am German, do I perceive a "table" or a "Tisch"?

In other words, is the perception a truth that exists outside the thing perceived (which is what you claim with your concept of Gender Identity) or is the perception simply recognising the external thing perceived and applying tge known label for it?