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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ofcom will now investigate Talk Tv re transphobia.

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Imnobody4 · 04/12/2025 21:33

Here we go again.

From Good Law Project:

We said we’d sue over Ofcom’s decision to dismiss 22,000 complaints about transphobia on TalkTV – now the regulator has caved.

But we had monitored its output for July 2025, a month in which it carried 11 discussions on trans people. And in every discussion, its hosts and guests consistently spouted transphobic views. TalkTV’s stance mirrors the broader editorial position of its sister newspaper The Times, whose toxic and intellectually dishonest campaign against trans people we believe to be a contributor to the rise in hate crime against them.

x.com/JuliaHB1/status/1996576537894703427?t=VgmnlP9LETiwrihlgEkCqA&s=09

Among my misdeeds, apparently, is that I said this on air: "By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

I'm happy to be found guilty of defending women's rights and safety, knowing the actual law, understanding basic biology and knowing what a woman is. 🤷🏻‍♀️

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BundleBoogie · 05/12/2025 13:56

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 11:20

""By definition, if you’ve had to get a piece of paper to say that you are a woman, you must accept then that you are man."

This is indeed an exceptionally transphobic statement, in that it clearly expresses scorn for and summarily dismisses the lived realities of trans people.

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Just so you are clear - the ‘lived reality’ of someone born male will be that of a man. He might be a man that resembles a woman in some way (or not) but he will always be a man. Soz.

TheywontletmehavethenameIwant · 05/12/2025 14:26

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puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 14:41

Datun · 05/12/2025 13:55

I made the mistake of clicking on a picture of a man brushing his hair in the ladies toilet, with an erection poking out of his very tight skirt.

It couldn't demonstrate a bigger reality of many trans experiences. They're plastered across the Internet from one to the other.

Scorn couldn't be more appropriate.

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Scorn couldn't be more appropriate

Inviting scorn of trans people couldn't be more appropriate? Is that what you meant?

Seethlaw · 05/12/2025 14:46

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 12:39

Apologies if my language was too academic.

"Lived realities" is simply a short and simple way of referring to the actual day-to-day experiences of a person in their real life, rather than a projection of what/ how something is in theory from an outside perspective.

Just because people treat me differently when they see me as a man or a woman, doesn't mean that I'm not female. My lived reality is that of a woman who presents as a man, not that of a man, not even close.

BettyBooper · 05/12/2025 14:51

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 14:41

Scorn couldn't be more appropriate

Inviting scorn of trans people couldn't be more appropriate? Is that what you meant?

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What do you think the appropriate reaction should be to men taking photos of themselves in the women's toilet with their erections hanging out?

Applause for their stunning and brave lived experience?

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 14:55

BettyBooper · 05/12/2025 14:51

What do you think the appropriate reaction should be to men taking photos of themselves in the women's toilet with their erections hanging out?

Applause for their stunning and brave lived experience?

No, I don't think it's appropriate to invite scorn of trans people. I don't think transphobia is ok.

If you do think this is appropriate, then just be honest.
Instead of trying to pretend the statement isn't transphobic, just say how you really feel which is - "it's entirely appropriate to be transphobic".

Chersfrozenface · 05/12/2025 14:58

I notice puppy doesn't answer BettyBooper's question.

So I'll repeat it.

What do you think the appropriate reaction should be to men taking photos of themselves in the women's toilet with their erections hanging out?

Applause for their stunning and brave lived experience?

BettyBooper · 05/12/2025 15:05

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 14:55

No, I don't think it's appropriate to invite scorn of trans people. I don't think transphobia is ok.

If you do think this is appropriate, then just be honest.
Instead of trying to pretend the statement isn't transphobic, just say how you really feel which is - "it's entirely appropriate to be transphobic".

Edited

You didn't answer my question.

I'm not 'pretending' that the statement isn't transphobic. I'm saying it isn't.

Oh, and I'm not in the least cowed by you calling me transphobic. It's lost all meaning because it gets trotted out for utter nonsense. As you are demonstrating aptly.

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:08

BettyBooper · 05/12/2025 15:05

You didn't answer my question.

I'm not 'pretending' that the statement isn't transphobic. I'm saying it isn't.

Oh, and I'm not in the least cowed by you calling me transphobic. It's lost all meaning because it gets trotted out for utter nonsense. As you are demonstrating aptly.

I genuinely don't understand what point you are trying to make.

I explained that the statement is transphobic because it is designed to pour scorn on trans people.

You replied that it was appropriate to pour scorn on trans people.

Are you suggesting that it's appropriate to pour scorn on trans people, and pouring scorn on trans people is not a form of transphobia? If so, what do you think transphobia is, or do you think there is no such thing?

BedlingtonLint · 05/12/2025 15:10

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:08

I genuinely don't understand what point you are trying to make.

I explained that the statement is transphobic because it is designed to pour scorn on trans people.

You replied that it was appropriate to pour scorn on trans people.

Are you suggesting that it's appropriate to pour scorn on trans people, and pouring scorn on trans people is not a form of transphobia? If so, what do you think transphobia is, or do you think there is no such thing?

So is you pouring scorn on us pouring scorn some kind of phobic too?

BettyBooper · 05/12/2025 15:12

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:08

I genuinely don't understand what point you are trying to make.

I explained that the statement is transphobic because it is designed to pour scorn on trans people.

You replied that it was appropriate to pour scorn on trans people.

Are you suggesting that it's appropriate to pour scorn on trans people, and pouring scorn on trans people is not a form of transphobia? If so, what do you think transphobia is, or do you think there is no such thing?

What do you think the appropriate reaction should be to men taking photos of themselves in the women's toilet with their erections hanging out?

murasaki · 05/12/2025 15:12

Is it not ok to pour scorn on the idea that the person in the photo described above is having lived experience as a woman?

Because in my book, it totally is.

BedlingtonLint · 05/12/2025 15:16

murasaki · 05/12/2025 15:12

Is it not ok to pour scorn on the idea that the person in the photo described above is having lived experience as a woman?

Because in my book, it totally is.

Apparently not, but it is okay to pour scorn on us for pouring scorn on that person. The mind boggles.

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:24

murasaki · 05/12/2025 15:12

Is it not ok to pour scorn on the idea that the person in the photo described above is having lived experience as a woman?

Because in my book, it totally is.

Because in my book, it totally is.

im not sure why you are bringing this photo into things, unless
you are suggesting this photo represents trans people?

And therefore since this photo should be scorned, it's ok to make a general statement inviting scorn of trans people?

And at the same time it's ridiculous to call this transphobic, because there's nothing transphobic about pouring scorn on trans people? Thats just being appropriate.

Is this what you are trying to say?

Genuinely lost.

BedlingtonLint · 05/12/2025 15:26

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:24

Because in my book, it totally is.

im not sure why you are bringing this photo into things, unless
you are suggesting this photo represents trans people?

And therefore since this photo should be scorned, it's ok to make a general statement inviting scorn of trans people?

And at the same time it's ridiculous to call this transphobic, because there's nothing transphobic about pouring scorn on trans people? Thats just being appropriate.

Is this what you are trying to say?

Genuinely lost.

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There’s lots of photos just like that. Transwomen love filming themselves doing disgusting stuff in women’s toilets. I wonder why.

its not transphobia to pour scorn on people who are doing things they shouldn’t be like breaching women’s boundaries by entering their spaces, which seems to be the vast majority of transwomen.

Datun · 05/12/2025 15:26

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 14:41

Scorn couldn't be more appropriate

Inviting scorn of trans people couldn't be more appropriate? Is that what you meant?

Edited

He's trans he's in the ladies toilet because he's trans, he's got his cock poking out of his skirt. So yes, of course it's scorn!

murasaki · 05/12/2025 15:27

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:24

Because in my book, it totally is.

im not sure why you are bringing this photo into things, unless
you are suggesting this photo represents trans people?

And therefore since this photo should be scorned, it's ok to make a general statement inviting scorn of trans people?

And at the same time it's ridiculous to call this transphobic, because there's nothing transphobic about pouring scorn on trans people? Thats just being appropriate.

Is this what you are trying to say?

Genuinely lost.

Edited

Come on , you're being disingenuous. I said it was ok to pour scorn on the idea that that specific person is living as a woman.

However I do think that no male person has lived experience as a woman, and yes, I scoff at the very idea.

That is not transphobic.

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:29

BedlingtonLint · 05/12/2025 15:26

There’s lots of photos just like that. Transwomen love filming themselves doing disgusting stuff in women’s toilets. I wonder why.

its not transphobia to pour scorn on people who are doing things they shouldn’t be like breaching women’s boundaries by entering their spaces, which seems to be the vast majority of transwomen.

its not transphobia to pour scorn on people who are doing things they shouldn’t be like breaching women’s boundaries by entering their spaces, which seems to be the vast majority of transwomen.

So the conclusion of your train of logic here is:

"it's not transphobia to pour scorn on the vast majority of trans women?"

Datun · 05/12/2025 15:30

*puppymaddness

If you don't want people to be scornful of all the transwomen getting their cocks out in ladies toilets, perhaps have a word with them. Not the people who are reacting appropriately

Datun · 05/12/2025 15:31

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:29

its not transphobia to pour scorn on people who are doing things they shouldn’t be like breaching women’s boundaries by entering their spaces, which seems to be the vast majority of transwomen.

So the conclusion of your train of logic here is:

"it's not transphobia to pour scorn on the vast majority of trans women?"

Edited

oh dear Lord. Talk about a self own.

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:31

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:29

its not transphobia to pour scorn on people who are doing things they shouldn’t be like breaching women’s boundaries by entering their spaces, which seems to be the vast majority of transwomen.

So the conclusion of your train of logic here is:

"it's not transphobia to pour scorn on the vast majority of trans women?"

Edited

Also the statement in the OP was about trans women as a collective. It wasnt about a subset of trans women doing x,y,z behaviours , it was about trans identity in general , so what on earth is the relevance of your point unless you are simply trying to justify transphobia? ?

JamieCannister · 05/12/2025 15:35

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:08

I genuinely don't understand what point you are trying to make.

I explained that the statement is transphobic because it is designed to pour scorn on trans people.

You replied that it was appropriate to pour scorn on trans people.

Are you suggesting that it's appropriate to pour scorn on trans people, and pouring scorn on trans people is not a form of transphobia? If so, what do you think transphobia is, or do you think there is no such thing?

You are equating those men who claim to be trans and who pose for photos showing their erections in women's toilets with trans people as a whole. Thtat is pure transphobia.

I am confident that no-one on this board thinks all trans people are like this, and in fact from what I can make out very few of the women who are trans are doing it for reasons of fetish or paraphilia - that seems to be the men.

Datun · 05/12/2025 15:35

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:31

Also the statement in the OP was about trans women as a collective. It wasnt about a subset of trans women doing x,y,z behaviours , it was about trans identity in general , so what on earth is the relevance of your point unless you are simply trying to justify transphobia? ?

Edited

The point is, you must define your terms.

If, as transactivism says, anyone is who they say they are, then yes absolutely scorn is reserved for any man who enters into a woman's space.

I might put my scorn on the back burner, if they don't uphold damaging stereotypes, don't enter into women spaces, and don't try and compel speech.

solerolover · 05/12/2025 15:37

Datun · 05/12/2025 15:26

He's trans he's in the ladies toilet because he's trans, he's got his cock poking out of his skirt. So yes, of course it's scorn!

It's "girl cock", get it right!

puppymaddness · 05/12/2025 15:38

JamieCannister · 05/12/2025 15:35

You are equating those men who claim to be trans and who pose for photos showing their erections in women's toilets with trans people as a whole. Thtat is pure transphobia.

I am confident that no-one on this board thinks all trans people are like this, and in fact from what I can make out very few of the women who are trans are doing it for reasons of fetish or paraphilia - that seems to be the men.

You are equating those men who claim to be trans and who pose for photos showing their erections in women's toilets with trans people as a whole. Thtat is pure transphobia.

lol quite the opposite.

That would be the pp's who apparently thought these photos were relevant justification for pouring scorn on trans people.

I have no interest in discussing these photos. I was discussing the statement in the OP and pointing out how it was mocking trans women. Then pp's came in and said that's
appropriate (to mock trans women) cos look at these photos !

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