"Darlington Nurses" vs County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust Tribunal Thread 8

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Thread 1, 7-Oct to 23-Oct; pre-hearing discussion, KD (day 1 of evidence) and BH (day 2).
Thread 2, 23-Oct to 28-Oct; BH (day 2), CH, JP, MG (day 3&4), TH, SS, ST, LL (day 4), JS, AT (day 5)
Thread 3, 28-Oct to 29-Oct; AT (day 5&6), TA (day 6&7)
Thread 4, 29-Oct to 31-Oct; TA, AM (day 7) JB (day 8)
Thread 5, 31-Oct to 04-Nov; JB (day 8), SW, CG, JR (day 9)
Thread 6, 04-Nov to 05-Nov; RH (day 10), SW (day 11)
Thread 7, 05-Nov to 11-Nov; SW (day 11), closing submissions

Five nurses working at Darlington Memorial Hospital have filed a legal case suing their employer, an NHS trust, for sexual harassment and sex discrimination. The nurses object to sharing the women’s changing facilities with a male colleague, Rose, who identifies as female. The hearing started on October 20th, with evidence now complete. Submissions are being made on November 11th. To view the hearing online requests for access had to be made by October 17th. The hearing is being live tweeted by Tribunal Tweets who have background to this case on their substack. An alternative to X is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

The Judge made clear at the start of the public hearing on Day 1 that only TT or press have permission to tweet. If online observers see/hear something in the court that isn’t reported by TT, we don’t mention it until the next time there’s a break. This is a very cautious approach to avoid any accusations of “live reporting” on MN. Commentary on the content of TT tweets is fine as soon as they’re posted on X.

Key people:
C/Ns - Claimants, the Darlington nurses
R/T/Trust - Respondent, County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust
J/EJ – Judge/Employment Judge Seamus Sweeney
NF - Niazi Fetto KC, barrister for claimants
SC - Simon Cheetham, KC, barrister for respondents
RH - Rose Henderson, trans identifying nurse
CG – Clare Gregory, NHS ward manager
SW - Sue Williams, NHS Trust HR
KD – Karen Danson, first claimant to give evidence.
BH – Bethany Hutchison, claimant
AH – Alistair Hutchison, husband of Bethany
CH – Carly Hoy, claimant
JP – Jane Peveller, claimant
MG – Mary Anne (aka Annice) Grundy, claimant
TH – Tracy Hooper, claimant
SS – Siobhan Sinclair, witness for the claimants, retired from Trust
ST – Sharron Trevarrow, witness for the claimants, retired from Trust, former housekeeper and wellbeing officer
LL – Lisa Lockey, claimant
JP – Professor Jo Phoenix, expert witness
JS – Jane Shields, witness for the claimants
AT - Andrew Thacker, NHS trust Head of HR
TA – Tracy Atkinson, NHS trust HR.
AM – Andrew Moore, NHS Head of Workforce Experience
JB – Jillian Bailey, NHS Workforce Experience Manager
AT – Anna Telfer, NHS Deputy Director of Nursing
SW – Sandra Watson, Matron for General and Elective Surgery
JR – Jodie Robinson, manager of Rose

134 pages - take that Kemp.

I wonder if there are many AI hallucinations.

My guess is 0 corrections due.

Modest by Sandy Kemp standards

T/g Reddit has this comment along with the link to media:

"Sigh, I mean they were never going to side with a trans person but we all know this is one step closer to genital checks"

What is wrong with these people?

Agree with this. The trust told him to undress in there so he did. And the fact the poor nurse complained about him asking her if she was getting changed, and the trust still did nothing is absolutely sickening.

I read that as a hopeful comment 😂

This is great, thank you for the updates and commentary, wims.

When is one of these employers who paid for illegal Stonewall “advice” going to sue them??

genital checks
hahahahahahahahaaaa !

In their fantasies a woman asks to see their 'lady balls and penis'

That's a quote from the health trust that was mentioned in the tribunal I believe.

Wasn't he the one with the holey boxer shorts?

These judgements never seem to find the man who says he's a woman guilty of anything harassment / voyeurism- agree with posters above it's hard to prove motive. And they all so far have had permission from the employer, so it's right the employer gets hammered and a grey area with the bloke doing it.

Personally I think we need a law change stating that ANY bloke- whatever his inner gender beliefs or GRC status- who enters a female space is guilty of crime eg harassment/ voyeurism against women.

So then individual behaviour/ male contempt for female privacy-as well as the employer's- can then be addressed. (With only certain exceptions- a male cleaner, emergency personnel attending a female patient etc).

Oh yes I remember. No need for the checks there! Avert your eyes is more like it

I thought it probably was, much as the context in which it's been posted on Reddit reads like it's part of the tribunal's findings.

Wishful thinking, eh lads? Along with having your genitals inspected.

From BBC now

NHS trust 'reviewing judgement' before commenting published at 12:09
12:09
A spokesperson for County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust says: "We are taking time to review the judgement carefully and will comment further once we have had the opportunity to consider it in full."

Yes - there was that case that the NHS lost at first tribunal (and didn't appeal) of the chap parading his privates through the changing room and - got compensation coz he was a 'woman' and it wouldn't matter if any 'other' women did it. Impossible to prove motivation.

NOBODY wants to see that!

Employers now have nowhere to hide on this one (based on the headlines at least). If they tell a male that he can use a female changing room it is likely to be indirect sex discrimination.

I hear the sound of lots of policies being quickly ripped up.

If an employer has wrongly told a male that he can use the female changing room I would say up until now he would not be at fault legally (rather the employer would be). I am not so sure that will be as protective from now on given the publicity about this case. If as an employee your employer instructs you to do something that you know to be unlawful it’s a much greyer area.

Darlington NHS nurses win harassment claim in trans ruling

https://www.thetimes.com/article/485f135b-029a-4fd0-adeb-bc76643821eb?shareToken=6676f12bedc01b788acf435eab26bf89

I think it should stop men like Robin Moira White using women's facilities. Now they are harassing women because they don't have permission.

Is there any likelihood of the Trust appealing the decision?

Sadly I can image quite a few men being only too happy to display the contents of their boxer shorts to women queuing for the ladies loos.

Well I suppose the country does need extra jobs for people

🤣🤣

I'm interested in what the Trust say. They might say they're going to appeal.

More pressure on Philipson to publish the guidance.