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"Darlington Nurses" vs County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust Tribunal Thread 6

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ThreeWordHarpy · 04/11/2025 10:44

Thread 1, 7-Oct to 23-Oct; pre-hearing discussion, KD (day 1 of evidence) and BH (day 2).
Thread 2, 23-Oct to 28-Oct; BH (day 2), CH, JP, MG (day 3&4), TH, SS, ST, LL (day 4), JS, AT (day 5)
Thread 3, 28-Oct to 29-Oct; AT (day 5&6), TA (day 6&7)
Thread 4, 29-Oct to 31-Oct; TA, AM (day 7) JB (day 8)
Thread 5, 31-Oct to 04-Nov; JB (day 8), SW, CG, JR (day 9)

Five nurses working at Darlington Memorial Hospital have filed a legal case suing their employer, an NHS trust, for sexual harassment and sex discrimination. The nurses object to sharing the women’s changing facilities with a male colleague, Rose, who identifies as female. The hearing started on October 20th, with evidence starting on October 22nd and is scheduled to last 3 weeks. To view the hearing online requests for access had to be made by October 17th. The hearing is being live tweeted by Tribunal Tweets who have background to this case on their substack. An alternative to X is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

The Judge made clear at the start of the public hearing on Day 1 that only TT or press have permission to tweet. If online observers see/hear something in the court that isn’t reported by TT, we don’t mention it until the next time there’s a break. This is a very cautious approach to avoid any accusations of “live reporting” on MN. Commentary on the content of TT tweets is fine as soon as they’re posted on X.

Key people:
C/Ns - Claimants, the Darlington nurses
R/T/Trust - Respondent, County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust
J/EJ – Judge/Employment Judge Seamus Sweeney
NF - Niazi Fetto KC, barrister for claimants
SC - Simon Cheetham, KC, barrister for respondents
RH - Rose Henderson, trans identifying nurse
CG – Clare Gregory, NHS ward manager
SW - Sue Williams, NHS Trust HR
KD – Karen Danson, first claimant to give evidence.
BH – Bethany Hutchison, claimant
AH – Alistair Hutchison, husband of Bethany
CH – Carly Hoy, claimant
JP – Jane Peveller, claimant
MG – Mary Anne (aka Annice) Grundy, claimant
TH – Tracy Hooper, claimant
SS – Siobhan Sinclair, witness for the claimants, retired from Trust
ST – Sharron Trevarrow, witness for the claimants, retired from Trust, former housekeeper and wellbeing officer
LL – Lisa Lockey, claimant
JP – Professor Jo Phoenix, expert witness
JS – Jane Shields, witness for the claimants
AT - Andrew Thacker, NHS trust Head of HR
TA – Tracy Atkinson, NHS trust HR.
AM – Andrew Moore, NHS Head of Workforce Experience
JB – Jillian Bailey, NHS Workforce Experience Manager
AT – Anna Telfer, NHS Deputy Director of Nursing
SW – Sandra Watson, Matron for General and Elective Surgery
JR – Jodie Robinson, manager of Rose

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IDareSay · 04/11/2025 10:47

Copying over from old thread as we wait for proceedings to start:

I'll C&P TT this morning for a while once we get started.
Thought it might be useful to post the abbreviations TT use for those who don't have access to X as the posts I C&P can be more difficult to follow if you don't know the abbreviations:
[Comments in italics are mine]
TT
Abbreviations:
C/Ns - Claimants - the Darlington nurses
NF - Niazi Fetto KC, barrister for Claimants
MP - Michael Phillips, solicitor for claimants
PS - Pavel Stroilov, C’s solicitor, preliminary hearing
R/T/Trust - Respondent, County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust
SC - Simon Cheetham, KC, barrister for respondents
J/REJ - Regional Employment Judge Robertson
EJ - Employment Judge
ET - Employment Tribunal
RH - Rose Henderson, trans identifying nurse [RH believed to be an operating department practitioner, not a nurse]
DMH/H/Hospital - Darlington Memorial Hospital

The Claimant Nurses:
KD - Karen Danson
BH - Bethany Hutchison
CH - Carly Hoy
JP - Jane Peveller
MG - Mary Annice Grundy
TH - Tracey Hooper
ST - Sharen Trevarrow
LL - Lisa Lockey

Other names:
CG - Claire Gregory, Ward Manager
SS - Siobhan Sinclair, Housekeeper & Well-being officer, at DMH, now retired SW - Sue Williams, HR at Trust
TA - Tracy Atkinson, HR at Trust
AT - Andrew Thacker, Director of Workforce and Organisational Development DP - David Purdue, Joint Regional Chief Nurse for North East and Yorkshire
GH - Gill Hunt, Interim Joint Regional Chief Nurse for NHS England in North East and Yorkshire
ST - Stephen Twist, Darlington Trust’s Audit and Governance Committee, an elected Public Governor
RS - Professor Richard Scothon, Chairman of Trust
AM - Andrew Moore, Head of Workforce Experience at Trust
JR - Jody Robinson
SW - Sue Williams, Human Resources Business Partner

More Abbreviations:
TG - Transgender
TW - Transwoman
CR/CF - Changing room or changing facilities
SSS - Single Sex Spaces
WS - Witness Statement
WA - Whatsapp
CLC - Christian Legal Centre
SEAL - Surgical Elective Admission Lounge
DSU - Day Surgery Unit
EQA/EA -Equality Act 2010

This will be Day 10 of the tribunal

I think there are a couple of errors in names, Sue Williams appears twice for example and I think one of those should be Sandra Watson; perhaps ^ can correct.^

nauticant · 04/11/2025 10:49

Karen Danson, claimant, gave evidence on Wednesday 22 October 2025.
Bethany Hutchison, claimant, gave evidence on Thursday 23 October 2025.
Mr Hutchison appeared on Thursday 23 October 2025 only to confirm his witness statement.
Carly Hoy, claimant, gave evidence on Friday 24 October 2025, morning session.
Jane Peveller, claimant, gave evidence on Friday 24 October 2025, morning session.
Mary Annice Grundy, claimant, gave evidence on Friday 24 October 2025, afternoon session and then gave very brief evidence to include a correction on Monday 27 October 2025, morning session.
Tracy Hooper, claimant, gave evidence on Monday 27 October 2025, morning session.
Siobhan Sinclair gave evidence remotely on Monday 27 October 2025, morning session.
Sharron Trevarrow gave evidence remotely on Monday 27 October 2025, morning session.
Lisa Lockey, claimant, gave evidence on Monday 27 October 2025, morning session.
Jane Shields gave evidence on Tuesday 28 October 2025, morning session.
Kirsten Coutts gave evidence on Tuesday 28 October 2025, morning session.
Andrew Thacker gave evidence from Tuesday 28 October 2025, morning session, to Wednesday 29 October 2025, morning session.
Tracy Atkinson gave evidence from Wednesday 29 October 2025, afternoon session, to Thursday 30 October 2025, morning session.
Andrew Moore gave evidence on Thursday 30 October 2025, afternoon session.
Jillian Bailey gave evidence on Friday 31 October 2025, morning session.
Tracy Wainwright gave evidence on Friday 31 October 2025, afternoon session.
Anna Telfer appeared on Monday 1 November 2025 only to confirm her witness statement.
Sandra Watson gave evidence on Monday 1 November 2025, morning session.
Claire Gregory gave evidence on Monday 1 November 2025, morning session.
Jody Robinson gave evidence on Monday 1 Novement 2025, afternoon session.

IDareSay · 04/11/2025 10:49

TT

Still waiting for session to start

TT
We don’t know the reason for the long delay this morning. Still waiting for the session to begin.

[I think the rest of us have our suspicions...]

Hicc · 04/11/2025 10:50

Good that it appears that Rose will be at the Tribunal today. However the fact that this has been kept so quiet doesn't reflect well on the idea of justice being seen to be done. Why has his appearance been treated differently from other witnesses in terms of people knowing if and when?

BettyBooper · 04/11/2025 10:50
battle GIF

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Szygy · 04/11/2025 10:50

Many thanks for the new thread. Mainly a lurker here, but place-marking anyway.

Domesticatednottamed · 04/11/2025 10:51

Many, many thanks to all who are running these threads, anyone from TT, all the informative commentary and sanity saving humour.

murasaki · 04/11/2025 10:55

Thanks for the new thread.

WomanInnaWoods · 04/11/2025 10:55
monty python pastor GIF

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ILikeDungs · 04/11/2025 10:55

I'll time out soon.

WTFAustraliaThisIsWhatHappensHereNow · 04/11/2025 10:56

From the last thread,

Thanks @anyolddinosaur - it just seems to me that they are setting the scene that poor Rose was fine in female spaces when taking hormones, but then the nasty women reacted when he stopped…

Boiledbeetle · 04/11/2025 10:56

IF the delay is because Rose is on the witness stand with full privacy then that isn't on. He didn't allow the women any privacy when they were in their underwear so he better not have been allowed to give evidence in private.

ThreeWordHarpy · 04/11/2025 10:57

ILikeDungs · 04/11/2025 10:55

I'll time out soon.

I'd disconnect and reconnect manually so you're not hanging around waiting for it to happen.

OP posts:
CriticalCondition · 04/11/2025 10:57

I think TT would know if they had been excluded.

Boiledbeetle · 04/11/2025 10:58

CriticalCondition · 04/11/2025 10:57

I think TT would know if they had been excluded.

They seem to be as much in the dark about what's going on as we are.

Feminaperfecta · 04/11/2025 11:01

I think the security guard was seen in videos taken on the first day when Posy Parker and that billboard chappy The Edge of the Matrix were recording.

StanfreyPock · 04/11/2025 11:01

Settling in with my knitting, just had coffee, ready to go!
Fortunately not a complicated pattern as am agog to see how this goes 😲

Feminaperfecta · 04/11/2025 11:03

Having an early lunch of chip butty (cleaning out the freezer before Christmas and found a handful of chips). Been up since stupid o'clock because DH's alarm didn't go off and I had to get him to the station for an early train.

Come on already - let's get this started!

Bluebootsgreenboots · 04/11/2025 11:04

I'm picturing you as one of the granny knitters at the feet of the guillotine during the Reign of Terror of the French Revolution @StanfreyPock Hopefully the internet means that your scarf won't get splashed by blood and brains.

ILikeDungs · 04/11/2025 11:04

I've got cheerful scaffolders setting up outside my upstairs window. Very entertaining.

oldtiredcyclist · 04/11/2025 11:04

I would get some popcorn at the ready, but the nearest I have is a packet of mini stollen bites, so I could be a bit heavier tomorrow.

Bluebootsgreenboots · 04/11/2025 11:05

ILikeDungs · 04/11/2025 11:04

I've got cheerful scaffolders setting up outside my upstairs window. Very entertaining.

Oh. Are they trying to watch proceedings too?

Hedgehogsrightsarehumanrights · 04/11/2025 11:05

Possibly RH attendance date and time kept under wraps to reduce possibility of demos/ counter demos outside the court.

borntobequiet · 04/11/2025 11:05

I like the look of Ade, cheerful and capable.

ILikeDungs · 04/11/2025 11:06

Bluebootsgreenboots · 04/11/2025 11:05

Oh. Are they trying to watch proceedings too?

Not at all, trying to avoid my eye and my screen as well I'm sure.

So I waved! Made them wave back.

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