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"Darlington Nurses" vs County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust Tribunal Thread 7

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ThreeWordHarpy · 05/11/2025 12:29

Thread 1, 7-Oct to 23-Oct; pre-hearing discussion, KD (day 1 of evidence) and BH (day 2).
Thread 2, 23-Oct to 28-Oct; BH (day 2), CH, JP, MG (day 3&4), TH, SS, ST, LL (day 4), JS, AT (day 5)
Thread 3, 28-Oct to 29-Oct; AT (day 5&6), TA (day 6&7)
Thread 4, 29-Oct to 31-Oct; TA, AM (day 7) JB (day 8)
Thread 5, 31-Oct to 04-Nov; JB (day 8), SW, CG, JR (day 9)
Thread 6, 04-Nov to 05-Nov; RH (day 10), SW (day 11)

Five nurses working at Darlington Memorial Hospital have filed a legal case suing their employer, an NHS trust, for sexual harassment and sex discrimination. The nurses object to sharing the women’s changing facilities with a male colleague, Rose, who identifies as female. The hearing started on October 20th, with evidence starting on October 22nd and is scheduled to last 3 weeks. To view the hearing online requests for access had to be made by October 17th. The hearing is being live tweeted by Tribunal Tweets who have background to this case on their substack. An alternative to X is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

The Judge made clear at the start of the public hearing on Day 1 that only TT or press have permission to tweet. If online observers see/hear something in the court that isn’t reported by TT, we don’t mention it until the next time there’s a break. This is a very cautious approach to avoid any accusations of “live reporting” on MN. Commentary on the content of TT tweets is fine as soon as they’re posted on X.

Key people:
C/Ns - Claimants, the Darlington nurses
R/T/Trust - Respondent, County Durham and Darlington NHS Foundation Trust
J/EJ – Judge/Employment Judge Seamus Sweeney
NF - Niazi Fetto KC, barrister for claimants
SC - Simon Cheetham, KC, barrister for respondents
RH - Rose Henderson, trans identifying nurse
CG – Clare Gregory, NHS ward manager
SW - Sue Williams, NHS Trust HR
KD – Karen Danson, first claimant to give evidence.
BH – Bethany Hutchison, claimant
AH – Alistair Hutchison, husband of Bethany
CH – Carly Hoy, claimant
JP – Jane Peveller, claimant
MG – Mary Anne (aka Annice) Grundy, claimant
TH – Tracy Hooper, claimant
SS – Siobhan Sinclair, witness for the claimants, retired from Trust
ST – Sharron Trevarrow, witness for the claimants, retired from Trust, former housekeeper and wellbeing officer
LL – Lisa Lockey, claimant
JP – Professor Jo Phoenix, expert witness
JS – Jane Shields, witness for the claimants
AT - Andrew Thacker, NHS trust Head of HR
TA – Tracy Atkinson, NHS trust HR.
AM – Andrew Moore, NHS Head of Workforce Experience
JB – Jillian Bailey, NHS Workforce Experience Manager
AT – Anna Telfer, NHS Deputy Director of Nursing
SW – Sandra Watson, Matron for General and Elective Surgery
JR – Jodie Robinson, manager of Rose

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nauticant · 05/11/2025 12:32

Karen Danson, claimant, gave evidence on Wednesday 22 October 2025.
Bethany Hutchison, claimant, gave evidence on Thursday 23 October 2025.
Mr Hutchison appeared on Thursday 23 October 2025 only to confirm his witness statement.
Carly Hoy, claimant, gave evidence on Friday 24 October 2025, morning session.
Jane Peveller, claimant, gave evidence on Friday 24 October 2025, morning session.
Mary Annice Grundy, claimant, gave evidence on Friday 24 October 2025, afternoon session and then gave very brief evidence to include a correction on Monday 27 October 2025, morning session.
Tracy Hooper, claimant, gave evidence on Monday 27 October 2025, morning session.
Siobhan Sinclair gave evidence remotely on Monday 27 October 2025, morning session.
Sharron Trevarrow gave evidence remotely on Monday 27 October 2025, morning session.
Lisa Lockey, claimant, gave evidence on Monday 27 October 2025, morning session.
Jane Shields gave evidence on Tuesday 28 October 2025, morning session.
Kirsten Coutts gave evidence on Tuesday 28 October 2025, morning session.
Andrew Thacker gave evidence from Tuesday 28 October 2025, morning session, to Wednesday 29 October 2025, morning session.
Tracy Atkinson gave evidence from Wednesday 29 October 2025, afternoon session, to Thursday 30 October 2025, morning session.
Andrew Moore gave evidence on Thursday 30 October 2025, afternoon session.
Jillian Bailey gave evidence on Friday 31 October 2025, morning session.
Tracy Wainwright gave evidence on Friday 31 October 2025, afternoon session.
Anna Telfer appeared on Monday 3 November 2025 only to confirm her witness statement.
Sandra Watson gave evidence on Monday 3 November 2025, morning session.
Claire Gregory gave evidence on Monday 3 November 2025, morning session.
Jody Robinson gave evidence on Monday 3 Novement 2025, afternoon session.
Rose Henderson gave evidence on Tuesday 4 Novement 2025, morning session (starting hours late), and afternoon session.
Sue Williams gave evidence on Wednesday 5 November 2025, morning session.

MyrtleLion · 05/11/2025 12:40

From TT

NF [reads re next steps in ?] [sound glitching] U explain that mtg w Rose in RP but would be looked at under diff policies. Her Gx was moved to ?? How was it decided
SW In disc w Rose, SN and her rep Ronnie
NF ANy notes from that mtg
SW I dont know
NF So grievance remained hanging over the Cs
Yes

ickky · 05/11/2025 12:40

Lots of swinging about in the chair there, will she do a twirl?

Boiledbeetle · 05/11/2025 12:40

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · Today 12:37

Sit still, woman.

It's driving me la la!

MyrtleLion · 05/11/2025 12:41

From TT

NF And remains over them to this day
SW Yes. And they'd have to declare this remained in palce
NF Were the Cs consulted at all
SW It wld be under the RP. In hindsight they shld have been made aware Rose's resolution was paused.
NF U took against the Gx by the 26. U thought they were wrong about Rose being in the CR

GoldThumb · 05/11/2025 12:41

Waiting for TT to comment lol

Boiledbeetle · 05/11/2025 12:42

MyrtleLion · 05/11/2025 12:41

From TT

NF And remains over them to this day
SW Yes. And they'd have to declare this remained in palce
NF Were the Cs consulted at all
SW It wld be under the RP. In hindsight they shld have been made aware Rose's resolution was paused.
NF U took against the Gx by the 26. U thought they were wrong about Rose being in the CR

Let's not bother to tell these distressed women that we've paused the investigation into them that could potentially end with them losing their jobs!

MyrtleLion · 05/11/2025 12:42

From TT

No
NF U didnt want to consider Rose shld be elsewhere
SW That wasnt in the remit of the Ix
NF That was the heart of the Cx.
SW Sn broke it into 5 places. This was the policy at the time.
NF SN didnt even know about the policy when she started
NF U didnt tell her at the start of thr Ix

Boiledbeetle · 05/11/2025 12:43
Ed Miliband GIF by GIPHY News

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CriticalCondition · 05/11/2025 12:44

MyrtleLion · 05/11/2025 12:41

From TT

NF And remains over them to this day
SW Yes. And they'd have to declare this remained in palce
NF Were the Cs consulted at all
SW It wld be under the RP. In hindsight they shld have been made aware Rose's resolution was paused.
NF U took against the Gx by the 26. U thought they were wrong about Rose being in the CR

SW even volunteered that they would have to declare an unresolved complaint against them to a potential employer.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 05/11/2025 12:45

I’m sure a body language expert could explain the mumbling.

Boiledbeetle · 05/11/2025 12:46

I'm getting really angry with this witness.

GoldThumb · 05/11/2025 12:46

MyrtleLion · 05/11/2025 12:42

From TT

No
NF U didnt want to consider Rose shld be elsewhere
SW That wasnt in the remit of the Ix
NF That was the heart of the Cx.
SW Sn broke it into 5 places. This was the policy at the time.
NF SN didnt even know about the policy when she started
NF U didnt tell her at the start of thr Ix

It wasn’t in the remit?
How so, was the core of it?

SN broke it down, and this was the policy.

But she didn’t know the policy?

What is going on?!?

——

Ooh, NF going for it there

SidewaysOtter · 05/11/2025 12:46

Current headline in The Times: "NHS productivity slump costs economy £20 billion a year" and goes on to reference "waste and inefficiency since covid".

Given this lot, I'm not at all surprised.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 05/11/2025 12:46

Me too. She’s becoming more smug and belligerent.

MarieDeGournay · 05/11/2025 12:46

CriticalCondition · 05/11/2025 12:44

SW even volunteered that they would have to declare an unresolved complaint against them to a potential employer.

I'm wondering what her tone was in saying this - some regret? 'concern'? or ha-ha like Nelson in the Simpsons??

SidewaysOtter · 05/11/2025 12:47

ickky · 05/11/2025 12:40

Lots of swinging about in the chair there, will she do a twirl?

Reminds me of an incalcitrant child toughing out a bollocking.

ickky · 05/11/2025 12:47

The body language there was excruciating.

MyrtleLion · 05/11/2025 12:48

From TT

SW I did send her the TITWP policy at some/one stage
NF Go to p164 of bundle 2. We see SN writes to you in ? 2025 and had already written the draft report at htis stage
Yes. I assume it had already happened but clearly not
NF U say is oversight. Shldnt u say that the v thing the 26 are complaining about are allowed

SW She's in charge
NF Surely u shld be helping her. U kept the policy from her
No. She's experienced
NF U take that as resoln of the Cx
NF U were determined that the 26 Cx shld go nowhere

Boiledbeetle · 05/11/2025 12:48

Witness right now giving these vibes

chilling19 · 05/11/2025 12:48

NF going in for the kill there

Mmmnotsure · 05/11/2025 12:49

Boiledbeetle · 05/11/2025 12:46

I'm getting really angry with this witness.

Join the club.

I am finding this worse than Thacker and Moore, tbh. She absolutely Does Not Care about any of these women. I know we call them handmaidens, but this feels traitorous.

ThreeWordHarpy · 05/11/2025 12:49

<sitting on my hands> when's lunch?

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Madcats · 05/11/2025 12:50

OOh the new paper come into play

MyrtleLion · 05/11/2025 12:50

From TT

SW Absolutely not
NF And that Rose's Cx shld be looked w/out regard to the 26
SW Absolutely not
NF I have one more matter to cover I think. I need to show u the loose document before you
J Where shld we put this?
NF Add to supplemental bundle I shld think. Become p434

NF U saw an eg of corres w KS re clarifn of what she wanted. Which u copied to other Cs
Yes
NF This email is to trusts Solic from the Cs solic that goes tog w a page from the Ix report on p2139 of bundle ?

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