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Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal 29th September 10am

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ickky · 25/09/2025 16:30

Hello

Don't know much about this case other than Naomi Cunningham is representing Ms Kelly.

If you want to observe send an email to

[email protected]

Subject line

Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

Ask for the link and pin to observe.

State you are a member of the public and give your full name and the email address you will use to access the tribunal.

Anyone interested?

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Londonmummy66 · 30/09/2025 13:09

Sorry to be a dinosaur but I don't have X - in the Fife case there were some links you could click to follow TT without being on twitter - does anyone have them for this tribunal - I couldn't see any on the thread.

ETA that I have found the nitter link on the Fife thread.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/09/2025 13:10

2 waiting in the lobby…

CriticalCondition · 30/09/2025 13:10

Ooh, I've had 'WTTC'. 15 currently waiting in the lobby.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/09/2025 13:11

@Londonmummy66Someone usually c/p TT posts here, as well.

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2025 13:12

I'm not watching today so I'm relying on Tribunal Tweets.

Currently sat twiddling my thumbs! They are going to break for lunch before it even gets started aren't they.

Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal 29th September 10am
NotNatacha · 30/09/2025 13:12

People being allowed in again.

Perhaps the lull was because the clerk was observing assisting with the case management issues.

15 currently waiting in the lobby.
Not in my room. Perhaps they are operating more than one room, as with Peggie v Fife.

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2025 13:14

OnAShooglyPeg · 30/09/2025 13:04

I've been there before! I think sometimes I've been in some sort of WFTCHTJ trance-like state and not realised that I hadn't heard it in a while. Unfortunately this time I was in the room. Now I'm in grey-screen mode. I'll leave and rejoin proper. At least I won't be missing anything.

I know the trance of which you speak!

But of a shitter getting kicked out once you are in though!

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 30/09/2025 13:22

Ooo this has just come up in trending. I didn't realise there was another ET. I'm sat.

ickky · 30/09/2025 13:27

SIGH Why does it always take so long to start.

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ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/09/2025 13:29

Lord knows!

Peregrina · 30/09/2025 13:33

I think this could be a particularly important case, since post the Supreme Court ruling the TRA's have latched onto the idea that they have nowhere to pee.

I hope Naomi Cunningham points out that they have ample places. I also hopes she can tease out whether any TiMs have actually been threatened in loos. Even if they have it should be a disciplinary matter for the men concerned - not the current "let's dump this issue on women".

MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 13:39

Do you want me to copy and paste Tribunal Tweets here?

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2025 13:41

MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 13:39

Do you want me to copy and paste Tribunal Tweets here?

I Love You Chick GIF

Yes

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2025 13:41

Gosh that's very flashy!

Sorry!

MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 13:41

So far from TT

We will be live tweeting from the employment tribunal of Maria Kelly v Leonardo UK (L), due to start at noon. She alleges harassment, direct & indirect discrimination.
L, a leading aerospace company, has a policy permitting employees to use toilets accord to their gender identity.

We are still in the waiting room and being told the parties are still in a private meeting. As it is approaching lunchtime we may not have a public session for some time, but we'll keep you informed when we know anything concrete.

13m ago.
We are now waiting in the virtual hearing room. The clerk has posted the following:
"The hearing is currently still dealing with case management matters and the hearing should be starting fairly soon".

Tallisker · 30/09/2025 13:42

Yes please from me, Myrtle - I can’t do fancy gifs like Beetle 😁

NotNatacha · 30/09/2025 13:42

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ickky · 30/09/2025 13:43

For Fucks sake

Starting tomorrow at 9.30am

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MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 13:43

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2025 13:41

Yes

Your wish etc. I'm just going to the loo. I'm on a stick now, no crutches, but still a bit slow.

Also I have a thing on Friday morning till 1130ish, so someone else will have to do it then. Or we hope they're in private hearing/case management etc.

wantmorenow · 30/09/2025 13:43

Oh dear. Personally gutted not to see action but maybe this is good for MK? Maybe settling and accepting liability?

Peregrina · 30/09/2025 13:46

I would have thought that since the Supreme Court ruling, there was no case to answer - they cannot allow employees to use loos according to their gender identity. The only issue I would see, is how much distress has already been caused and what compensation they should pay.

MyrtleLion · 30/09/2025 13:46

From TT

We've just had another message from the clerk: "Dear all the hearing has been adjourned till 10am tomorrow. there will be no hearing today" We will be reporting again tomorrow for the duration of the case, which is due to last the rest of this week.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/09/2025 13:47

Thanks Myrtle.

ickky · 30/09/2025 13:47

Thanks @MyrtleLion

We will have no excuses for tardiness. You can use the stick to pole vault to the toilet, it will be quicker and only a little bit dangerous.

Perhaps we should all crown fund for a lovely commode?

😀

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