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Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal 29th September 10am

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ickky · 25/09/2025 16:30

Hello

Don't know much about this case other than Naomi Cunningham is representing Ms Kelly.

If you want to observe send an email to

[email protected]

Subject line

Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

Ask for the link and pin to observe.

State you are a member of the public and give your full name and the email address you will use to access the tribunal.

Anyone interested?

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ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/09/2025 12:37

I’ve edited it, so fingers crossed. 🤞🏻

What a bleeding pain in the eye this is??
I bet they stop at 13:30 for lunch!

NotNatacha · 30/09/2025 12:37

I hope the delay isn’t counsel for Kelly requesting that the hearing be heard in private. If it is, I hope that’s refused, as it was in Peggie v Fife .

AutumnyCrow · 30/09/2025 12:41

NotNatacha · 30/09/2025 12:37

I hope the delay isn’t counsel for Kelly requesting that the hearing be heard in private. If it is, I hope that’s refused, as it was in Peggie v Fife .

For Kelly? Or Leonardo?

GoldThumb · 30/09/2025 12:42

Is anyone in? I’m WFTCHTJ

GreenUp · 30/09/2025 12:42

NotNatacha · 30/09/2025 12:35

Everyone else has first name and second name, except the tribunal clerk. That might be it.

Do they have Observer / Reporter at the end of their name as outlined in the guidance sent with the email?

eg. Joe Bloggs - Observer or Joe Bloggs?

NotNatacha · 30/09/2025 12:43

AutumnyCrow · 30/09/2025 12:41

For Kelly? Or Leonardo?

You’re right. Leonardo.

I was going to put D, but decided names would be clearer. 😥

OnAShooglyPeg · 30/09/2025 12:45

Quite a few people on the list don't have their position (ie observer), but it was the same with the previous online access and the were no issues.

By the time this starts it will be time to finish!

NotNatacha · 30/09/2025 12:45

GreenUp · 30/09/2025 12:42

Do they have Observer / Reporter at the end of their name as outlined in the guidance sent with the email?

eg. Joe Bloggs - Observer or Joe Bloggs?

Some do, some don’t.

One has “member of public.”

Scout2016 · 30/09/2025 12:48

Maybe they are arguing about pronouns. What to call the TIMs and that sort of thing.

IDareSay · 30/09/2025 12:48

Now 6 in the lobby so there is something happening at least.

OnAShooglyPeg · 30/09/2025 12:50

IDareSay · 30/09/2025 12:48

Now 6 in the lobby so there is something happening at least.

I've just been kicked, so the same might have happened to others. I'm not sure of this is a phone connection issue or not, some days my connection seems to randomly drop and others not.

IDareSay · 30/09/2025 12:51

TT:

"We are still in the waiting room and being told the parties are still in a private meeting. As it is approaching lunchtime we may not have a public session for some time, but we'll keep you informed when we know anything concrete."

Peregrina · 30/09/2025 12:52

Could the parties be agreeing to settle, even at this stage?

NotNatacha · 30/09/2025 12:54

When asked for my name, I give it. When asked for my status I put Observer.

In previous tribunals I have been listed as First Name Second Name (space) - (space) Observer.

How this appears today is not wholly consistent. Plenty do have their status listed in some way (perhaps without spaces or with brackets) but most don’t.

Tribunal Tweets has also tweeted that they are still in the waiting room.

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2025 13:00

OnAShooglyPeg · 30/09/2025 12:50

I've just been kicked, so the same might have happened to others. I'm not sure of this is a phone connection issue or not, some days my connection seems to randomly drop and others not.

It automatically kicks you out after an hour of WFTCHTJ and you have to try again

IDareSay · 30/09/2025 13:01

Peregrina · 30/09/2025 12:52

Could the parties be agreeing to settle, even at this stage?

It does happen!

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/09/2025 13:02

NotNatacha · 30/09/2025 12:54

When asked for my name, I give it. When asked for my status I put Observer.

In previous tribunals I have been listed as First Name Second Name (space) - (space) Observer.

How this appears today is not wholly consistent. Plenty do have their status listed in some way (perhaps without spaces or with brackets) but most don’t.

Tribunal Tweets has also tweeted that they are still in the waiting room.

Edited

It’s very frustrating that this process never seems to get any better.

OnAShooglyPeg · 30/09/2025 13:04

Boiledbeetle · 30/09/2025 13:00

It automatically kicks you out after an hour of WFTCHTJ and you have to try again

I've been there before! I think sometimes I've been in some sort of WFTCHTJ trance-like state and not realised that I hadn't heard it in a while. Unfortunately this time I was in the room. Now I'm in grey-screen mode. I'll leave and rejoin proper. At least I won't be missing anything.

flopsyuk · 30/09/2025 13:05

9 in the lobby now

NotNatacha · 30/09/2025 13:06

I don't know if they get much practice with lots of participants. I'm assuming that the system is normally used by people who are paid (are the lay tribunal members paid?) to be there.

NotNatacha · 30/09/2025 13:07

flopsyuk · 30/09/2025 13:05

9 in the lobby now

Now 8, with fewer in the room than before.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/09/2025 13:08

I’m in-ish.

ickky · 30/09/2025 13:08

@OnAShooglyPeg Same, I realise I haven't heard it for a while and check. I think it is because it is intermittent, I just have the fuzzy noise now.

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ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/09/2025 13:09

Clerk says:
The case is still dealing with case management issues, and should be starting fairly soon.

ickky · 30/09/2025 13:09

The clerk said it should be starting soon.

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