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Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal 29th September 10am

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ickky · 25/09/2025 16:30

Hello

Don't know much about this case other than Naomi Cunningham is representing Ms Kelly.

If you want to observe send an email to

[email protected]

Subject line

Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

Ask for the link and pin to observe.

State you are a member of the public and give your full name and the email address you will use to access the tribunal.

Anyone interested?

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AnotherAngryAcademic · 29/09/2025 19:31

NotInMyyName · 29/09/2025 15:11

Some background to the case here.

Where is this screenshot from please?

NotNatacha · 29/09/2025 20:59

An hint if you have trouble joining the tribunal tomorrow:

I watched the Sandie Peggie tribunal remotely. Although the link they sent worked for me on my iPad in February, the one they sent didn’t in the summer. The only way I could watch it then, and in September, was on DH’s desktop.

I clicked on the link on my iPad, went to the first page and signed in successfully, and then was taken to a mostly black page.

But that was it, I got no further. On the desktop it quickly changed into a waiting room with the Tribunal crest on a white background, listening to ‘Waiting For the Conference Host to Join’ (WFTCHTJ) over and over. Then I was moved into the tribunal room a few minutes before the broadcast proceedings started.

I tried on Safari, Chrome and Edge on my iPad and iPhone, but only the desktop worked. Which is to say, if you haven’t attended a tribunal remotely before, be prepared to try more than one method if the first one doesn’t work for you. It’s not the court sending you a duff link.

Form1ess · 29/09/2025 21:29

I remember Susanne Tanner from her report into whistleblowing at Edinburgh City Council. (doesn't give any insight into her views on gender)
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-59614287

AnotherAngryAcademic · 29/09/2025 22:43

Thank you! I had been clicking around TT but somehow couldn’t see it.

NebulousSupportPostcard · 29/09/2025 23:56

Thanks for substack link. MK has great team then!

anyolddinosaur · 30/09/2025 08:10

Maria Kelly is People & Capability Lead - Electronics at Leonardo. So I'd guess she has been telling her employer that their actions are illegal and getting treated badly because of that. In the days when the world was saner she put this on linked in. https://www.linkedin.com/posts/maria-kelly-a0052a50_while-youre-reading-this-many-of-our-colleagues-activity-6345981569454399490-qDJD

sassanach · 30/09/2025 08:34

is that the same person? We should be careful.

anyolddinosaur · 30/09/2025 09:23

@sassanach Two Maria Kelly's in the same firm -seems unlikely, but we'll find out.

NebulousSupportPostcard · 30/09/2025 09:24

sassanach · 30/09/2025 08:34

is that the same person? We should be careful.

I think it probably is the same person after digging around on the weekend but agree we should be careful.

It's so hard to wait even from now until 12 today though! 😂

I'm going to attempt to switch off my laptop for a couple of hours and get other things done...

sassanach · 30/09/2025 09:36

I haven't had any reply about being able to watch.

CriticalCondition · 30/09/2025 09:41

I had a reply with the Operational Note last week but nothing since. I emailed again yesterday after someone said they'd just applied and been sent the link almost immediately. Nothing.

Signalbox · 30/09/2025 10:26

Starting at 12. Can we expect an hour for lunch from 1?

ickky · 30/09/2025 10:37

@Signalbox I expect it to start late, then some case management discussions, then lunch. 😁

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ickky · 30/09/2025 10:37

@sassanach What email did you send to?

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sassanach · 30/09/2025 10:55

the email provided in this thread with the wording suggested

ickky · 30/09/2025 11:09

@sassanach Send another email and request it again. They might be restricting access to a certain number if they have had a lot of requests to access.

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ickky · 30/09/2025 11:33

Tribunal Tweets Live coverage here

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1972972099657499066

Abbreviations:

C or MK - Claimant, Maria Kelly
NC - Naomi Cunningham, barrister for C
KW - Katy Wedderburn, solicitor for C
R or L - Respondent. Leonardo UK
ST - Susanne Tanner KC, barrister for R
J - Judge
P - Panel member
GC - gender critical
GI - gender identity

Tribunal Tweets (@tribunaltweets) on X

We will be live tweeting from the employment tribunal of Maria Kelly v Leonardo UK (L), due to start at noon. She alleges harassment, direct & indirect discrimination. L, a leading aerospace company, has a policy permitting employees to use toilets...

https://x.com/tribunaltweets/status/1972972099657499066

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ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/09/2025 11:37

WFTCHTJ.

I’m not confident that it will start at 12:00.

wantmorenow · 30/09/2025 11:41

I'm in but screen blank and wierdly blurry

ickky · 30/09/2025 11:44

Was bumped out twice

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ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/09/2025 11:46

Same.

ChimpanzeeThatMonkeyNews · 30/09/2025 11:49

Third time!

wantmorenow · 30/09/2025 11:50

I must be lucky - not bumped yet

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