Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal 29th September 10am

[ickky]

Hello

Don't know much about this case other than Naomi Cunningham is representing Ms Kelly.

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Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

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Anyone interested?

From TT

ST Can I just check I'm complete here.
J U have completed yr evidence for today but musnt discuss these issues
MK Yes
J We'll return at 10 am.
Court adjourned

T's final tweets

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1973387017443479622.html

Also thank you so much @MyrtleLion for all the TT tweets all day.

This came on the radio. Reminded me of #SadTimes.

It's sad (so sad) so sad
It's a sad sad situation
And it's getting more and more absurd

Well, tbf, I wouldn't describe applications for disclosure or case management discussions with the judge as titting about and time wasting.

Thanks so much, @MyrtleLion , you are a trooper! Much appreciated.

And @ickky , of course!

Ahh but would there be a need to apply for disclosures if no titting had occurred?

Hi, I'd just like to thank everyone who has run and contributed to these threads and the Sandie Peggie threads. I read them all but they were so fast moving I was barely able to keep up. Amazing work from everyone!

Naomi Cunningham is my shero 💚

Thanks, @MyrtleLion and @ickky and everyone on the thread. It’s been quite a day all round.

Following on from my earlier post about not wanting my real name on display, I've just had my linkedin looked at by someone I know who I had been suspcious might be involved in tribunal tweets (similar typing style). I don't mind so much if I'm right as I did suspect already they were a terf but doubt they'd admit its them.

I must say it was nice today not to have to listen to the respondents council butt in to whine every 30 seconds.

I know! It's like going for a slap up meal and insisting on drinking diet coke. Why? Just why?

Totally, ST was good on that front, although it should be a bare minimum and not something we find the need to praise.

The sound quality was truly dreadful today, though. 😫

I can tell that you feel unsettled about this, sassanach, anonymity is essential to some posters, and is just liberating to others, like me, I really enjoy being MdeG instead of me, though in fact MdeG is mostly me, only braver
Anyway, I'm sorry you feel uncomfortable about the situation and hope it is OK.

Do I sense a Four Feathers Fan?

I took this as a reference that there is no opinion being expressed on the FWS judgment. ie L and their barrister will work on the basis that the law has been settled by the SC whether or not they agree with it.
So if they follow the language of the Supreme Court in FWS that isn’t expressing a view on whether or not they agree that TW are men.

This makes sense. I think JR in the Sandie Peggie case got close to trying to relitigate FWS which no Tribunal will allow.

This case has to consider that, as the basis for sex discrimination under the EA is biology and always has been (according to the SC), did the actions of L in turning the toilets into unisex ones by stealth, cause a detriment to women.

Martin says thank you but his days of sitting on the tribunal panel are over.

#SadTimes.

Sad times indeed. As he was excellent.

He’ll always be the yardstick against which all other employment tribunal panel members are measured.

Yes it is a potential problem. I would have liked to have observed but know someone senior at L UK and wouldn't want them to be aware of my burning interest in this issue.

What exactly did ST's examination establish? Was she trying to imply that MK knew about Mixed Sex provision but didn't object until now?

I learned of this tribunal only today, through this thread.
I am outraged at what Maria went through and what she had to explain, publicly, at the tribunal.
How many other women are suffering even as I write this, who do not have the resources (personal, emotional, financial, etc) to take their case to a tribunal?
Sandie and Maria are the tiny tip of a doubtless very large iceberg of untold misery.

Thanks to everyone who's keeping us up to date. Especially @ickky and @MyrtleLion xx

He's very chuffed about that. He has retired for age reasons.