NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #50

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to last 2 weeks. However, after 2 weeks it was not complete and it adjourned part-heard. It resumed on 16 July and the last day of evidence was 29 July 2025. It will resume again over 1 to 2 September for closing submissions.

The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton gave evidence from Thursday 6 February to Wednesday 12 February 2025. Sandie Peggie returned to give more evidence on 29 July 2025.

Access to view the second part of the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] by 5pm on Wednesday 9 July. Detailed instructions were provided here:

drive.google.com/file/d/16-9POEZ7yHWUr6EmbfquJZO18Gv78bSm/view

The hearing is being live tweeted by x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-005 and tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr-bd6. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.ph/WSSjg.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: nitter.net/tribunaltweets or nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Links to previous threads #1 to #40 can be found in this thread: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379717-sandie-peggie-list-of-threads-covering-employment-tribunal-and-afterwards

Thread 41: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379334-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-41 24 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 42: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379820-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-42 25 July 2025 to 25 July 2025
Thread 43: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5379979-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-43 25 July 2025 to 27 July 2025
Thread 44: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5380196-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-44 25 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 45: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381518-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-45 28 July 2025 to 28 July 2025
Thread 46: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5381640-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-46 28 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 47: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382102-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-47 29 July 2025 to 29 July 2025
Thread 48: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5382317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-48 29 July 2025 to 31 July 2025
Thread 49: mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5383443-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-49 31 July 2025 to 8 August 2025

For which I do not blame him one little bit! He must've known there was going to be some kind of nonsense before the submissions were allowed to proceed.

Honestly, for those just reading, the sound is so bad it sounds like they are stood at the top of a hill on a very windy day.

Still not in - is anyone else still waiting or is it just me?

Is JR objecting to NC saying she will release her closing submissions to the public?

Reacting his name undermines the fact he is a man, which is crucial to the case. So I'd say no to that. Even Dr Upton, which is neutral, does that.

I phoned them and explained and they have now let me join.

tel:01382 221 578 01382 221 578

I see 3 waiting to join my room.

Arguments about deadnaming! What a waste of time!

Gone to discuss, panel have left room

The panel retires for a short time to discuss this issue.

Microphones are being moved!

I see movement of a microphone!

FFS I thought JR would be a total arse - but she has exceeded my expectations.
He doesn't have a GRC

from herald
10:29am
Ms Cunningham says it is an identifying fact that Dr Upton is a man, and it is obvious to those who meet the medic.
Ms Russell is back up. She's talking about the equal treatment benchmark and Dr Upton's right to privacy and a fair trial. Therefore, she says her argument is not futile.
She wants employment judge Sandy Kemp to make an order restricting the dead name being published.
Short break while this is considered.
10:26am
In the argument over the use of Dr Upton's former name, Ms Cunningham refers to the Streisand effect.
This is when an attempt to suppress or hide information backfires and ends up drawing much more attention to it.
It’s named after the singer Barbra Streisand, who in 2003 tried to sue a photographer to remove an aerial photo of her Malibu home from a public collection documenting coastal erosion.
Before the lawsuit, the photo had been downloaded only a handful of times. After news of the lawsuit spread, the image was viewed hundreds of thousands of times.
10:25am
Ms Cunningham says Jane Russell's argument is futile given that Dr Upton's former name has been in the public domain.
She said he opposition barrister's "strenuous" attempts to prevent the previous name is counter productive and is drawing attention to the issue.
10:21am
Jane Russell is talking about dead naming, that is referring to a transgender person by the name they used before they identified as their acquired gender.

Same for me. In February I could use Safari on my both my iPhone & my MacBook to view the proceedings. Last July it only worked with Chrome on my MacBook. This morning it’s not working on my iPhone with Safari or Chrome. Hopefully it will still be OK with Chrome on my MacBook when I am able to settle down with that.

Maybe they could they do a global replace with He Who Must Not Be Named.

Bloody hell 😮 that's terrifying

So, who also has Wednesday free as a contingency measure?

What did he say?

Herald
10:34am
A unanimous decision has been made.
An order has been granted to prevent the dead name being published.
Sandie Peggie's team must redact their submission before it can be published.

Bugger was making a cuppa and missed their return

Apparently Voldemort now prefers Volde Morticia.

I am horrified by this silencing of reality- Sandie objected to a 6ft bloke in the female changing rooms, and now the judge has ruled her submissions must be falsified to suit his fantasy. It is so offensive to me as a woman.

Can't remember unfortunately.

Boo sucks to the judge and panel